At a heated congressional hearing Tuesday, lawmakers grilled administration officials about their role in implementing Trump’s draconian family separation policy. Scott Lloyd, who led the Health and Human Services Office of Refugee Resettlement last year and oversaw the “zero tolerance” policy, admitted he did not heed or report warnings of the devastating effects of separating children from their parents. This is Washington Congressmember Pramila Jayapal questioning Lloyd.

Rep. Pramila Jayapal: “Mr. Lloyd, you were the head of this agency at the time of family separation, and you did not even allow your staff to continue to do a spreadsheet that tracked where people were. You did not put into place any policies that would pull this—this—I don’t even have words for it—horrendous policy back. Did you ever say to the administration, 'This is a bad idea. Here's what my child welfare experts have told us. We need to stop this policy’? Did you once say that to anybody above you?”

Scott Lloyd: “I did not say those words.”

Tuesday’s hearing came as the House Oversight Committee voted to subpoena the Departments of Homeland Security and Health and Human Services, as well as the Attorney General’s Office, for records on the children affected by Trump’s family separation policy.