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AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy
Now!,

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democracynow.org,
The War and Peace Report.

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I’m Amy Goodman.

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Last month, Pentagon leaders
told a Senate panel

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they would ignore
any unlawful order

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by President Donald Trump
to launch a nuclear strike.

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The testimony came as part of
the first congressional hearings

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in more than 40 years
on the president’s authority

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to start a nuclear war.

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This is Connecticut Democrat
Chris Murphy.

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SEN. CHRIS MURPHY: We are
concerned that the president

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of the United States

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is so unstable,
is so volatile,

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has a decision-making process
that is so quixotic,

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that he might order
a nuclear weapon strike

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that is wildly out of step

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with U.S. national
security interests.

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AMY GOODMAN: Well, for more,
we’re joined by someone

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who’s led a discussion
of mental health professionals

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who are deeply concerned

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about President Trump’s
psychological instability.

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Dr. Bandy Lee is
a forensic psychiatrist

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on the faculty of
Yale School of Medicine,

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an internationally recognized
expert on violence.

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She organized the "Duty to
Warn" conference at Yale

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and edited the book The
Dangerous Case of Donald Trump:

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27 Psychiatrists and
Mental Health Experts

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Assess a President.

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The book became a best-seller

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the instant it was
published in October,

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sold out, resupplied,
sold out again.

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Dr. Bandy Lee is with us
to talk about the issues raised

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by these 27 psychiatrists
and mental health experts.

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Of course, it’s now many,
many more,

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not just people who
participated in this book.

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What are your deepest concerns
about President Trump?

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And have you had
concerns about,

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oh, presidents you agree
with and disagree

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with, mental health
concerns, before?

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DR. BANDY LEE: Well,
it’s actually historically

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unprecedented

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that so many mental
health professionals

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have come forth
with their concerns,

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under any president,
of any party.

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So it really is
the first time

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that this many mental
health professionals

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are coming together
in a coalition.

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We even have a website now,
DangerousCase.org,

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where the public and lawmakers
can discourse with us.

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There are thousands
of us at this point.

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AMY GOODMAN: So talk about—lay
out what your concerns

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are as a psychiatrist.

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DR. BANDY LEE: So, our concerns
are that someone

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with this level
of mental instability

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and impairment
has this much power,

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in the office of
the presidency—basically,

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the power to start
a devastating war,

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to launch nuclear missiles,
without any inhibition.

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You saw from the hearings

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that there is very little
inhibition in place right now.

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Within five minutes of the
commander-in-chief’s orders,

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nuclear missiles could be
launched without question.

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And—

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AMY GOODMAN: And how does that
relate to his mental fitness?

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DR. BANDY LEE: And, of course,
his decision-making capacity,

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having such levels
of impulsivity,

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having a loose grip on reality

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and being so fragile
in his ability

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to cope with ordinary stresses,

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such as basic criticisms
or unflattering news,

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will tend to unravel,

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especially in times
of heightened stress,

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such as under the special
counsel’s investigations.

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AMY GOODMAN: Just last week,
Tony Schwartz,

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author of—well, co-author
of Trump’s book,

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The Art of the Deal,
told MSNBC’s Ari Melber

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that the president’s
inner circle

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is worried about
his mental state.

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TONY SCHWARTZ: I know
that two different

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people from the White House,

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or at least saying they were
from the White House,

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and that turned out to be
a White House number,

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have called somebody I know in
the last several weeks to say,

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"We are deeply concerned
about his mental health."

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That’s—
ARI MELBER: Wait a minute.

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You’re saying you have
knowledge of people

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calling from a White House
line raising that question.

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Why would they do that?
How do you know that?

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TONY SCHWARTZ: I know that
because I know

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the person that they called.

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And this is a person
who I absolutely trust,

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who has great integrity.

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AMY GOODMAN: So, that was
Tony Schwartz,

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who I think ghostwrote the book

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The Art of the Deal, very close
to Trump for a period of time.

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What are your thoughts
about what he said?

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DR. BANDY LEE: Well, as you know
, he has a chapter in the book,

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even though he’s not counted
among the 27 experts.

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We do have three others

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who have been included

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for their special insight,

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their special experience
with Mr. Trump.

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And we included him

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because he has special
insight into these matters.

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And I would agree
with his assessment.

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We speak often.
We share our observations.

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And we’re both deeply concerned.

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AMY GOODMAN: The chapter
that Tony Schwartz

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wrote in your book,

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"I wrote The Art of the Deal
with Donald Trump.

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His self-sabotage
is rooted in his past."

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Explain his point here.

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DR. BANDY LEE: Well, there’s
actually a lot that’s outlined.

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It’s a reprint of an article
that he wrote,

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I believe for The New Yorker.

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He outlines very much
his interactions

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and experiences
with the president.

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And he describes,
most markedly, this emptiness,

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this—what he calls
a black hole level

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of self-esteem or self-worth
that is missing,

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whereby he can have all
the admiration of the world,

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all of the successes,

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and he will—his thirst
will never be quenched,

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because of that intense need.

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And that is what we’re seeing,
over and over.

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And what is most concerning
for us is that his way of coping

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with this critical sense
of need at every moment,

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so much, to the point where
he cannot think of the past

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or the future or consequences,

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his main urgency is to quench
the need at the moment.

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And the way he does this
is by burnishing his power,

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by going to belligerent language

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or affirming conflicts

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and others’ sense of the world

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as a threatening place
where you have to be violent.

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AMY GOODMAN: This is Republican
Senator Lindsey Graham

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of South Carolina
speaking about,

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well, then-candidate
Donald Trump.

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This was back in 2016.

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SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM: I’m not
going to try to get

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into the mind of Donald Trump,

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because I don’t think there’s
a whole lot of space there.

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I think he’s a kook.
I think he’s crazy.

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I think he’s unfit for office.

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AMY GOODMAN: So that was
Graham in 2016.

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But Senator Graham sounded
different last month,

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when he spoke to CNN.

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SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM: You know,
what concerns me about

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the American press

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is this endless,

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endless attempt to label
the guy as some kind of kook,

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not fit to be president.

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AMY GOODMAN: So, that is
Senator Graham now.

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What about what he’s saying?

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DR. BANDY LEE: I think
the laypersons,

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the public or lawmakers,

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would be prone
to underestimating the dangers

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of this president,

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because most people are used
to seeing individuals

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who are healthy.

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It’s only professionals
who see those who are impaired,

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day in and day out.

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And so, the natural tendency
will be to interpret

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what they’re seeing
in terms of a normal range,

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a normal variation
of human choices,

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decision making and behavior.

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What we are—what
we feel pressed to do

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is to warn about the situation

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where someone is not acting
within normal range,

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where one is normalizing
what is in fact a malignancy

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in one’s interpretation
of reality.

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AMY GOODMAN: On Wednesday,
the House voted

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not to impeach President Trump.

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The vote failed 364 to 58,

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with all Republicans
voting against the measure.

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The Democratic leadership
also came out

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against the impeachment vote.

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The measure was introduced
by Congressmember Al

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Green of Houston,
who said on the House floor,

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"Donald John Trump,
by causing such harm

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to the society
of the United States,

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is unfit to be president
and warrants impeachment,

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trial and removal from office."

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And then, in April, Maryland
Congressmember Jamie Raskin

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introduced a bill
that would create a commission

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to determine
if the president is mentally

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or physically unfit for office.

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This is Congressman Raskin, also
professor of constitutional law,

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explaining how the bill
is based on the 25th Amendment.

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REP. JAMIE RASKIN: Section 4
of the 25th Amendment says

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that the vice president
of the United States

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can act with a majority
of the Cabinet

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to determine that there’s
a presidential incapacity,

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or the vice president can act
with a majority of any body

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to be set up—and Congress
never set up the body

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that’s called for
in the 25th Amendment.

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So this is us essentially
following through

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on our constitutional obligation

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to set up a body in the event
of a presidential disability.

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And that’s something that would
be determined by the body,

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but, of course,
only with the vice

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president of the United States.

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So, we’re talking about a body
that is nonpartisan,

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that’s independent and that acts
with the vice president,

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who, of course, is reporting
directly to the president.

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So it would be in
the most extreme cases

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where there’s a consensus
that’s developed the president

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is incapable of discharging
the duties of office.

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AMY GOODMAN: So, that is
Congressman Jamie Raskin.

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You just came from Capitol Hill,
where you’re talking to—

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DR. BANDY LEE: Yes.

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AMY GOODMAN: —Democratic
and Republican congressmembers.

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What about this?

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DR. BANDY LEE: Senator—or
Representative Raskin

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was one of the members

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that I got to meet,

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but, unfortunately,
he was called to vote,

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so we didn’t get to talk much.

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He definitely wishes
to follow up.

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And we, among ourselves,

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have also been advocating
for an expert panel,

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that would be separate
and independent

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and appointed by the National
Academy of Medicine,

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so, in fact, we could
work on figuring out

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what the solution
might be for us

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to be able to form
an independent panel

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that can give recommendations

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that he could receive
through a commission.

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AMY GOODMAN: Let me ask you
about this unusual article

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I just read that’s sort of
going all over the internet,

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"Could Trump’s Hair Drug
Threaten His Physical

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and Mental Health?"

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And it said—this is from
months ago—"This week,

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President Trump’s
doctor disclosed

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that the president
takes finasteride,

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a drug marketed as Propecia,
to treat male pattern baldness.

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While it is tempting to make
jokes about Trump’s hair,

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and even the sexual side effects
that accompany the drug,

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it also has many
disturbing side effects

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that neither the president—nor
any other man—should risk.

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“In the 19 years since Propecia
was approved

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to treat hair loss
from male pattern baldness,

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side effects have been
so concerning

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that the term
post-finasteride syndrome

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(PFS)

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has been coined and hundreds
of lawsuits have been brought.

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In addition to its
sexual side effects,

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the drug’s effects on cognition,
mood and mental states

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have been documented in
the scientific literature.

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"A 2013 study in Journal
of Sexual Medicine noted

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'changes related to
the urogenital system

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in terms of semen quality
and decreased ejaculate volume,

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reduction in penis size, penile
curvature or reduced sensation,

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fewer spontaneous erections,

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decreased testicular size,

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testicular pain,
and prostatitis.'

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[unquote] Many subjects
also noted a 'disconnection

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between the mental and physical
aspects of sexual function,'

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and changes in mental abilities,

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sleeping patterns,
and/or depressive symptoms."

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Do you think this is relevant?

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DR. BANDY LEE: Most definitely.

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Mental function is not separate
from physical function,

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and many medications
have profound effects

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on the mind’s capacity.

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And so, this is
one of the reasons

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why an evaluation
would be so critical,

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because mental impairment
can be just as debilitating

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as physical impairment,

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and the both are connected.

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So, to have all
the medical records,

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as well as to be able to get
a list of medications

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and to do a medical exam,

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would be essential to doing
a mental health exam.

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AMY GOODMAN: I wanted to go back
to this issue of "duty to warn"

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and the conference
that you put on—

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DR. BANDY LEE: Yes.

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AMY GOODMAN: —where you had
an auditorium at Yale University

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of something like 500 seats,
and maybe 20 people showed up.

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Since then,
you’ve had death threats.

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Talk about how this
movement has grown,

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and, again, where this
whole concept of "duty to warn"

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comes from, why psychiatrists
should be weighing in here.

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A lot of people have to be
scratching their heads

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and saying,

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"You haven’t had a sit-down
discussion with Donald Trump.

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You haven’t personally
analyzed him.

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You know, stay in
your wheelhouse.

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This is not your business.

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You are trying to classify
as a mental illness,

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perhaps, hatred,
meanness, bigotry.

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This is not your right."

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DR. BANDY LEE: Well, actually,
we deal with all those things

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in psychiatry.

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I am a forensic psychiatrist,

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which means I work
at the interface of psychiatry

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and the law.

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So, legal cases,
criminal cases, civil cases,

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I often deal with them.

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And what we do
is distinguish between that

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which is mental impairment

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versus that which is
criminal responsibility

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or intended choices.

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And oftentimes the distinction
can be blurred for the public,

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especially when
the impairment looks

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like someone’s intended choices

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or even look like
a brilliant strategy,

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when in fact it follows
a pattern of pathology

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and drives toward
damage and destruction

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for oneself as well as others.

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And those are the times

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when I feel that it does
enter into our domain.

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AMY GOODMAN: So, explain
"duty to warn."

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You’re sitting in your office.
You have a patient.

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They say, "I’m going
to go out and kill,"

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and they name the person.

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What’s your
responsibility there?

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And how does that relate
to the president?

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DR. BANDY LEE: So that was
the Tarasoff case,

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where an individual
was sitting with a counselor

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and expressed a desire,
thoughts of harm.

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And the counselor
respected confidentiality,

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did not warn
the potential victim.

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And then, afterward, he went out
and killed the person,

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Miss Tarasoff.

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Since then, court cases have
been added to expand the rule,

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so not only do you have a duty
to warn the potential victim;

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because this is a danger
and a case of—it’s an emergency,

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you have to break
confidentiality

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or do what you need
to do to protect safety.

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Safety comes first.

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When safety and survival
are concerned,

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it doesn’t matter if the person,
the victim, is not your patient.

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It doesn’t matter if the
source of information

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does not come from the patient.

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And also, there is a part
in medical ethics that says,

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in an emergency,

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the physician
does not have a choice

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not to take the person
as a patient.

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So that would mean, if you
were walking in the street

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and someone were having
a heart attack,

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you do have to treat the person

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as if it were
your patient—without consent,

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without need
for confidentiality.

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The psychiatric equivalent
would be someone

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acting erratically
in a public place,

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say, in an airport
or the subway.

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You have to intervene,

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especially if law
enforcement or security

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would not be able to recognize
the level of danger here,

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because they may not recognize
the signs of mental impairment.

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Sometimes impairment can look
like they are acting normally

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and making decisions
out of conscious choice,

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especially because
they themselves will insist

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that this is their
own decision making

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and will have
very little insight,

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meaning recognizing that
something is wrong with them.

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So this is especially
when it becomes important.

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When danger is concerned,
what you can get

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from an individual
interview is limited.

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What is more important
are others’ reports,

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observation of behavior.

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And, in fact,
with this president,

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we have far more
information than we often

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have with our own patients.

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We see his reactions
to situation in real time,

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over extended time.

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And to declare dangerousness,

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you don’t need
all the information.

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You just need enough
information to alarm you.

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AMY GOODMAN: And, Dr. Bandy Lee,
how do you assess—you know,

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President Trump, the Access
Hollywood tape comes out.

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You know, he acknowledges it.

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And then, what, however
many months later, he says,

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"Oh, this is all fake."

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DR. BANDY LEE: Yes.

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AMY GOODMAN: So, how does
this fit in

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to the analysis
of a psychiatrist like you?

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DR. BANDY LEE: So, whereas
we would not make a diagnosis

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without all
the information—in fact,

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it would be
irresponsible to do so.

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And I believe that
we basically cannot,

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until we do a full assessment.

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But, of course, we have many
running hyphotheses in our head,

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what we call
differential diagnoses.

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And so, we have some hyphotheses

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as to what might be going on
with the president.

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What we—things that we
predicted seven months ago,

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when we put the book together,
have mostly come true.

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AMY GOODMAN: Like?

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DR. BANDY LEE: That he was worse
than he appeared in public,

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that he would get worse, that he
would not be containable,

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and that—I think around
this time people

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were expecting he would pivot

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and become more
presidential—that

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all of this would not happen,

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and in fact his impairment
is more deep-seated

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and would follow
a certain course.

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In other words,
with increasing pressures,

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with evolution
of his presidency,

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that he would grow worse.

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AMY GOODMAN: Let’s go
to Robert Jay Lifton,

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who contributed to your volume.

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In October, he was on
Democracy Now!

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and talked about the debate over
whether Donald Trump understands

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and can responsibly manage
the most destructive

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nuclear arsenal on Earth.

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ROBERT JAY LIFTON: Well,
any restriction

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on the president—any president,

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but especially
Trump—on his capacity

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to initiate a nuclear war,

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any restriction on that
is profoundly desirable.

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It’s a strange world,
to say the least,

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when the generals are there
to restrain the civilian.

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The generals aren’t,
on the whole,

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known for their
military restraint.

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There are exceptions.

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With the Vietnam War,
as you know,

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it was initiated by civilians,

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"the best and the brightest,"
as it was called.

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The military was at first
a little reluctant,

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then entered it
and became corrupted by it,

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and created what I came to call
atrocity-producing situations.

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That could happen here, too,
with the generals,

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who are ostensibly restrainers,

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allowing him, being unable
to prevent him

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from initiating
some form of war,

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being themselves drawn in
and then corrupted by it.

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That’s a really
dangerous sequence.

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Anything that holds that back
or in check is desirable.

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AMY GOODMAN: So that’s Dr.
Robert Jay Lifton,

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the world-renowned psychiatrist
who wrote about Nazi doctors,

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who wrote about
the nuclear bombing

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of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

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and the Hiroshima survivors.

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He wrote a piece in The
Dangerous Case of Donald Trump.

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Your final comments,
Dr. Bandy Lee?

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DR. BANDY LEE: So, violence
is an end product

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of a long process.

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And we have seen
this process evolving,

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in the mind of Mr. Trump,

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but also in his
public responses,

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his effects on the public.

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And I would agree
with Dr. Lifton

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that we cannot place
the greatest dangers

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to our existential continuation.

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AMY GOODMAN: And your final
comment

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in summarizing
the message you have,

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the whole "duty to warn"
movement that you’re a part of,

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where it’s headed now?

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DR. BANDY LEE: Well,
we’re pushing for an evaluation.

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We’re warning
about dangerousness.

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We’re actually trying our best
to educate the public

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so that people
will be aware,

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they will be affirmed
in what they are seeing,

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they will be educated on the
depths of what they are seeing,

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and also that there is
a way of dealing

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with the situation, handling it.

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AMY GOODMAN: Dr. Bandy Lee,
we want to thank you for being

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with us, forensic psychiatrist

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on the faculty
of Yale School of Medicine,

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internationally recognized
expert on violence,

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editor of the best-selling book,
just recently published,

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The Dangerous Case
of Donald Trump:

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27 Psychiatrists
and Mental Health Experts

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Assess a President.

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This is Democracy Now!

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To see Part 1 of our discussion,
go to democracynow.org.

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I’m Amy Goodman.
Thanks for joining us.