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AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy
Now!, democracynow.org,

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The War and Peace Report.
I’m Amy Goodman.

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News that Dr. Christine
Blasey Ford

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will testify Thursday about her
sexual assault allegations

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against President
Trump’s Supreme Court

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nominee Judge Brett Kavanaugh

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has prompted many
to warn senators

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not to repeat
the same mistakes

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made during
the confirmation process

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of Judge Clarence Thomas
in 1991,

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when Anita Hill was questioned
by an all-male,

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all-white Senate Judiciary
Committee about her allegations

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that Thomas sexually harassed
her when he was her supervisor.

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This is Anita Hill
being questioned

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by Republican Senator
Arlen Specter.

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SEN. ARLEN SPECTER: The New York
Times says this: quote,

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"In an interview,
Ms. Barry suggested

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that the allegations
were a result

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of Ms. Hill’s disappointment
and frustration that Mr. Thomas

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did not show
any sexual interest in her."

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Now, aside from saying
that Ms. Barry

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doesn’t know about you
on the social side,

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what about the substance
of what Ms. Barry had to say?

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ANITA HILL: What exactly are you
asking me?

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SEN. ARLEN SPECTER: Well,
I’ll repeat the question again.

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Was there any substance
in Ms. Barry’s flat statement

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that, quote,

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"Ms. Hill was disappointed
and frustrated that Mr. Thomas

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did not show
any sexual interest in her"?

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ANITA HILL: No, there is not.
There is no substance to that.

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He did show interest.

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AMY GOODMAN: In the weeks after
that hearing in 1991,

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black feminists organized
a manifesto titled

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"African American Women
in Defense of Ourselves"

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that was signed
by nearly 1,600 women

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who raised $50,000 to publish it
as an ad in The New York Times.

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It read in part,
"We are particularly outraged

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by the racist
and sexist treatment

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of Professor Anita Hill,

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an African American woman
who was maligned and castigated

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for daring to speak publicly
of her own experience

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of sexual abuse.

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The malicious defamation
of Professor Hill

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insulted all women
of African descent

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and sent a dangerous message
to any woman

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who might contemplate
a sexual harassment complaint."

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For more, we continue with
Part 2 of our conversation

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with Barbara Ransby in Chicago.
She was one of the initiators

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of "African American Women
in Defense of Ourselves"

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in 1991, now a professor
of African American studies,

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gender and women’s
studies and history

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at the University
of Illinois, Chicago,

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author of the award-winning
biography

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Ella Baker &
the Black Freedom Movement

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and a new book, just out, titled
Making All Black Lives Matter:

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Reimagining Freedom
in the 21st Century.

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Thank you for continuing this
conversation, Professor Ransby.

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First I want to get
your response

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to Dr. Christine
Blasey Ford’s allegations,

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now Deborah
Ramirez’s allegations

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that just came out
in The New Yorker.

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Interestingly,
both of these women

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have spent their lives
working on trauma.

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Dr. Christine Blasey Ford
is at Palo Alto University.

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She’s a research psychologist,
and Stanford, she teaches.

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And Deborah Ramirez

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now works with domestic
violence survivors.

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Both alleging Brett Kavanaugh
sexually assaulted them,

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when he was 17
in the case of Ford and 18

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in the case of Ramirez.

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BARBARA RANSBY: Well,
the Ramirez allegations have,

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as you know, just come out.
And I’m not surprised,

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because often there
is a pattern of men

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who engage in this kind of
behavior, which there are many.

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And there are others
who participate

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in a kind of code of silence,

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who don’t think it’s
a serious transgression

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and who either watch
or hear about

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and don’t share
that information with others.

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But I’m not surprised that now
we have two people

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making these kinds
of allegations,

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and women who are sensitized
to a set of feminist issues,

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women who are sensitized
to the larger issue

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of sexual assault
and sexual violence,

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who had the courage
to come forward.

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I think that so many women
experience sexual harassment

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and sexual violence
on a continuum

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and choose to,
still to this day, in 2018,

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to keep quiet about it,

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because often the price
is very high for speaking out.

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AMY GOODMAN: I wanted to turn
to Joe Biden,

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who many may not realize

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that the Senate Judiciary
Committee of 1991,

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the Anita Hill hearing,
was Democratic.

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It was chaired by a Democrat,
yes, the former,

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well, now vice president—former
vice president,

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then Senate Judiciary chair,
Joe Biden,

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questioning Anita Hill
back in 1991.

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SEN. JOE BIDEN: Can you tell
the committee

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what was the most embarrassing

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of all the incidences
that you have alleged?

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ANITA HILL: I think the one
that was the most embarrassing

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was his discussion
of pornography

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involving these women
with large breasts

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and engaged
in a variety of sex

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with different people
or animals.

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That was the thing
that embarrassed me the most

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and made me feel
the most humiliated.

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AMY GOODMAN: Now I want to turn
to an interview

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with former senator,

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Vice President Joe Biden about
the Anita Hill hearings in 1991.

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This aired just Friday on NBC.

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Biden was questioned
by Craig Melvin.

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JOE BIDEN: Anita Hill was
vilified when she came forward

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by a lot of my colleagues.
Character assassination.

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I wish I could have done more
to prevent those questions

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and the way they asked them.

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I hope my colleagues
learned from that.

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... My biggest regret was,

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I didn’t know how I could shut
you off if you were a senator

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and you were attacking
Anita Hill’s character.

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Under the Senate rules,
I can’t gavel you down

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and say you can’t ask
that question.

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Although I tried.

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And so what happened
was she got victimized again

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during the process.

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CRAIG MELVIN: Seems like you
get it now, versus back in ’91.

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JOE BIDEN: Well, I think
I got it in '91.

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I don't think it—well,

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that—people
have their own opinion.

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AMY GOODMAN: OK, that’s
Joe Biden on Friday,

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saying he got it then.
Your response, as you go back,

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deeply involved with the Anita
Hill hearings, Professor Ransby?

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BARBARA RANSBY: Well, yeah,
I mean, I’m disappointed

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that he doesn’t think he could
have done anything else,

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because I think,
in any formal hearing,

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there are rules of engagement.
There’s protocol.

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Of course senators
are free to ask questions,

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but asking her
was she a woman scorned,

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implying in very snide ways
that she was lying

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and that she was unstable,

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that she had sexual desires
for Clarence Thomas

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and therefore was making
this up—so,

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I mean, all of that
should have been nixed,

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should have been checked
in the context of that hearing.

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And so I think however Joe Biden
might have done that,

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that’s what should
have happened,

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to have a fair
and respectful hearing.

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Anita Hill was there
with her family.

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She’s one of 13 siblings.

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Her aging mother, I believe,
was also in the audience.

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And she was challenged
to recount

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these really lewd
and raunchy statements

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by Clarence Thomas in the course
of making her case,

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and then being asked questions
to unsettle her,

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to make her feel humiliated
in that context.

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You know, it was just—I’m sure
more could have been done.

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The other thing is that
there were other witnesses

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that weren’t allowed to testify,

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so that was another omission
and error on Joe Biden’s part.

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Ultimately, 11 Democrats voted
to confirm Clarence Thomas

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despite these very compelling

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and disturbing allegations
about him.

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I mean,
Biden was not one of them,

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but there were 11 Democrats

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that voted to confirm
Clarence Thomas,

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who, as you know, was confirmed
by one of the narrowest margins

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since the 19th century.

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AMY GOODMAN: So, now talk more
about how you did

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what you did at the time,
how you organized in 1991—

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1,600 women,
African-American women,

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signed on to your letter—that
you raised enough money,

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$50,000, to get a full-page ad
in The New York Times,

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and why you felt
compelled to do this,

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and what you were doing,
Barbara, at the time.

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You weren’t a professor
of African American studies,

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gender and women’s
studies and history

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at University of Illinois.

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BARBARA RANSBY: Right.

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I was actually finishing
my dissertation on Ella Baker

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at the time.
I was teaching also in Chicago,

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but I wasn’t at University
of Illinois.

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But it was myself,

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it was Elsa Barkley Brown
and Deborah King.

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We were all three academics
who were watching this.

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I was also an organizer.

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I was very involved
in the anti-apartheid movement,

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very involved in black feminist
organizing efforts,

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very much involved
in progressive

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and left organizing
for a number of years.

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So organizing
was not unfamiliar to me.

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So, we felt that
it was important

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to have a collective voice

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and not just individual voices
in response to what we witnessed

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in the Anita
Hill-Clarence Thomas spectacle.

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We wanted particularly
black women to have a voice,

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because we didn’t hear
our voices heard.

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There was sort of
this false juxtaposition

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between race and gender.

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In fact, a number
of people said,

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"Well, it’s white women
who are coming forward

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to support Anita Hill,"

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which was not—you know,
I mean, white women did,

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black women did,
Latinx women did.

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But also Clarence Thomas
invoked this idea

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of a high-tech lynching,
which kind of gave him

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the mantle
of the black experience

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and completely invalidated
Anita Hill’s experience

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as a black woman

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who was experiencing
both sexism and racism.

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So we wanted to articulate
all of that in in our statement.

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We wanted to add some
complexity to the conversation.

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And we wanted it to be
in the public record.

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I have to say also,

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particularly galling
was a New York

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Times op-ed by professor
Orlando Patterson,

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who essentially said
that this is the way

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that black people interact
with each other,

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that Clarence Thomas didn’t
do anything wrong

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even if he said
some of these things,

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and that he should deny it
even if he did it,

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because he would be subject
to unfair

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and undue sanctions
and punishment.

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And so that was
particularly outrageous to us,

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that this would be put forward

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as a legitimate—as an acceptable
analysis of the black experience

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in such a big forum
as a New York Times op-ed.

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And so we wanted
to respond to that, as well.

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AMY GOODMAN: And what was
the response to your ad?

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BARBARA RANSBY: Well, we got
a great response

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when we made the call
for the ad.

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And again—I mentioned
before—it was

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before the internet,

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so when I tell this
to my students,

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they’re like, "How in the world
did you do it?"

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We called people.

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We emailed—I mean,
we weren’t using email.

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We called people.
We—word of mouth.

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We set up an 800 phone line.
We got letters.

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I still have shoeboxes with
letters and notes from people

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saying either—"This
happened to me.

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I completely believe her.
I’m completely outraged by this.

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Thank you for taking
this initiative."

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And so, it really resonated.
It really resonated.

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And after the fact, we heard
from people who were upset

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that they didn’t know
ahead of time

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in order to lend
their names to it.

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It was a lot
to raise money, too,

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and I’m pleased that
we were able to do it

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by very small donations
from many women

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and some men who contributed
to the campaign.

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AMY GOODMAN: So, I wanted
to bring this forward

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to what’s happening right now

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in the case of Dr. Christine
Blasey Ford.

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She’s set to testify Thursday,
but Dianne Feinstein,

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the Democratic senator,

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has called for a delay
in these hearings at this point,

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with another woman
stepping forward,

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and then Michael Avenatti saying
there may be another woman.

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And I wanted to ask you about
the difference in the times,

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what difference it makes
that this is all happening

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within the context
of the #MeToo movement

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and how this has grown,
which was begun

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by an African-American woman,
Tarana Burke.

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BARBARA RANSBY: Right. Well,
we hope this makes a difference.

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I mean, I think—you know,
as a historian,

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I study change over time, right?

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So there’s ways
in which things change,

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and then ways in which things
are all too familiar

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from 27 years ago.
But I do think

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the #MeToo movement has made
an important intervention.

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It has not only reiterated
and underscored

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the fact that sexual violence
and sexual harassment

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is pervasive in our society,

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but has made sure that men with
enormous power and privilege

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were not exempt,
were not insulated,

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were not protected
by their privilege and power.

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And so, when you have
a Harvey Weinstein,

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when you have the head
of media outlets

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who are called to be
accountable for their actions,

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I think that takes it
to another level.

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We also know that women
of color, working-class women,

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women who are incarcerated
are most vulnerable.

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Conversely, we know
that men of privilege,

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white men of privilege,

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are often not held accountable.
And so I think

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the #MeToo movement has crossed
a threshold in that regard,

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and we hope that that makes
a difference in this case.

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AMY GOODMAN: Dr. Ransby,
this brings us to your book,

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Making All Black Lives Matter:

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Reimagining Freedom
in the 21st Century.

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I asked Alexis Goldstein
earlier in the broadcast,

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who is organizing
the letter of 1,100 women

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who went to Holton-Arms,
Christine Blasey’s alma mater

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and high school—they
wrote a letter,

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and I asked her—you know,

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she was very involved
with Occupy Wall Street,

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and how that compares
to what’s happening with #MeToo.

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Let me ask you about this
all taking place in the midst

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of the Black Lives
Matter movement,

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also what’s happening
just in your city of Chicago.

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You have Jon Burge just died,

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who was the acknowledged
torturer,

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the police commander
responsible

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for so many young
African-American men

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being imprisoned
with false confessions

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after they were tortured.

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You have the Laquan McDonald
trial underway,

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not the trial of Laquan
McDonald—unfortunately,

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he’s dead—but
of the police officer,

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Jason Van Dyke,
who has been charged

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with first-degree murder.

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Talk about why
you wrote this book,

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and make whatever
connections you will.

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BARBARA RANSBY: Well,
the book documents

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the role of young
black feminists

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in the Movement for Black Lives,
the Black Lives Matter movement.

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And that was a really
important fact—right?—

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that sometimes
we gloss over,

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that from Ferguson to Chicago
to New York City to L.A.

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and Oakland, Baltimore,

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young women activists
with feminist sensibilities,

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influenced by earlier
feminist movements,

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from "African American Women
in Defense of Ourselves"

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to the Combahee River Collective
to the abolitionist work

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of Angela Davis and Critical
Resistance—those young women

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were at the very forefront
of the movement

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against state violence,

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rallying, in the case of Michael
Brown’s murder in Ferguson,

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but also holding up in the
"Say Her Name" campaign,

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holding up the deaths
of African-American women

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by various forms
of violence,

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but state violence—the death
in custody of Sandra Bland,

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the police shooting
of Rekia Boyd.

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And I wanted to talk about
how black feminist politics,

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which are intersectional,

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which look at multiple forms
of oppression and injustice

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and the way that they feed
off of each other,

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why those politics
were so pronounced,

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and why that fact
was so important in sustaining

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the Black Lives Matter movement
or the larger rubric,

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the Movement for Black Lives.

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And that particularly
is relevant in Chicago.

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In Chicago, we have
a range of organizations,

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from Black Youth Project 100
to Assata’s Daughters

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to Black Lives Matter Chicago,
who have been really relentless

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in challenging
the Chicago Police Department

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around various
instances of violence,

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Laquan McDonald being
only one of those,

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and have been mainstays
at this Jason Van Dyke trial.

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So, Chicago and the organizing
that’s gone on here

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has been at the epicenter
of the Movement for Black Lives

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and continues to be.

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You mentioned Jon Burge’s
passing.

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The campaign here in Chicago

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to get accountability
for police torture

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that had a long history here
under Jon Burge

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went on for many, many years.

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Several of his victims
ended up on death row.

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There was a campaign
to get all of them released,

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and most—all of them
were released,

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and then a campaign
for a city ordinance

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that would give some
sort of compensation to victims

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who didn’t have that because
of statute of limitations,

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but also set up a curriculum
in the Chicago Public Schools

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and set up a center
for people dealing with trauma

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from police violence.
So, there have been victories.

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There’s been sustained
organizing here in Chicago.

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We have a historic mayoral race
coming up next year,

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and these issues are fitting
prominently in that.

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And the young women
who have been a part

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of the Black Lives
Matter movement

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will fit prominently
in that campaign, as well.

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AMY GOODMAN: And now you have
Rahm Emanuel

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announcing he will not
run for mayor again.

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BARBARA RANSBY: Exactly.

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AMY GOODMAN: Rahm Emanuel,

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who became mayor again
in the last election

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after suppressing—after
information was suppressed:

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the videotape of what
happened to Laquan McDonald.

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BARBARA RANSBY: Yeah,
absolutely.

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And that’s changed
the landscape.

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We also have several
African-American women

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running for mayor
in this current round.

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So, it was interesting and,
I think, not inconsequential

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that Rahm Emanuel
made his announcement

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that he wasn’t going to run
for re-election

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just as
the Jason Van Dyke trial,

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jury selection,
was getting underway.

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That case was going to haunt him
in this campaign,

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and I think he knew it.

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And so I think the movement
here in Chicago

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that has kept
the Laquan McDonald case alive,

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that has said this young
man’s life did matter,

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that someone will be
held accountable,

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the person that killed him
will stand trial,

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that all of that is really
important in understanding

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the current political context
and the current mayoral race

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that is unfolding here
in Chicago.

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AMY GOODMAN: Any final thoughts
as we wrap up,

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this moment
we’ve come to right now?

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I mean, you have Anita Hill
weighing in at this point.

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This isn’t like a moment
way back in history.

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You have the Black
Lives Matter movement.

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You have the #MeToo movement.

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As a historian, do you think
we are making positive change

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in this country,
that there is a trajectory,

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if you will,
a moral arc towards justice?

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BARBARA RANSBY: Well,
I do think so.

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I mean, I think the best
of times, the worst of times.

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I mean, many of us
have felt traumatized

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by this current occupant
of the White House,

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because day after day
there’s a new outrage.

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But it’s not just the
recklessness of his behavior,

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it’s also the policies
that are being pushed through,

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the programs
that are being dismantled,

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the tax bill
which was horrendous, etc.

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But we’ve also seen more
organizing,

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sustained organizing,

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direct action organizing,
new coalitions forming.

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We’ve seen more of that
than ever before.

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We see a whole crew
of new progressive candidates

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coming into
the electoral arena.

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So I’m very optimistic.
I work very closely

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with a lot of young organizers
here in Chicago and nationally.

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They are smart,
they are committed,

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and they’re passionate

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about creating a different
kind of country

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and building the movement
that will get us there.

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And I’m hopeful
that that will be the case.

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AMY GOODMAN: Barbara Ransby,

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professor of
African American studies,

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gender and women’s
studies and history

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at the University
of Illinois, Chicago.

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In 1991, she was one
of the initiators

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of the "African American Women
in Defense of Ourselves,"

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a black feminist ad campaign
in support of Anita Hill.

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They got a full-page ad
in The New York Times

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supporting Anita Hill in her
sexual harassment allegations

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against then-Supreme Court
nominee Clarence Thomas,

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who would be confirmed
to the Supreme Court.

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Professor Ransby is out
with a new book.

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It’s called Making
All Black Lives Matter:

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Reimagining Freedom
in the 21st Century.

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To see Part 1 of our discussion,
you can go to democracynow.org.

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I’m Amy Goodman.
Thanks so much for joining us.