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From Pacifica, this is Democracy Now!

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I personally see a society that respects
the integrity of its citizens

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to struggle with complex health issues

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and make decisions that are appropriate
for them and their personal lives.

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I see a society
that respects the religious differences

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of its citizens.

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I see a society that rejects hate.

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The anniversary of an assassination.

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Three years ago today, abortion provider
Dr. George Tiller was shot dead

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while attending church
in Wichita, Kansas.

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Reproductive healthcare providers
remain a target of violence

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amidst a wave of new legislation
curtailing access to safe abortions.

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Last week, two clinics in Georgia

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and a women’s organization
in New Orleans were set ablaze.

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We’ll speak with Vicki Saporta

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of the National Abortion Federation
and abortion provider Dr. Willie Parker.

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Then to Bahrain to speak with two
just-released political prisoners,

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Zainab Alkhawaja and Nabeel Rajab.

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They were both jailed
for protesting the U.S.-backed monarchy.

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I’m going to continue my struggle,

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no matter
how much they’re going to cost me,

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no matter how many days
they’re going to put me

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and how many months and how many years.

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I believe that’s the cost
of the struggle,

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that’s the cost of the freedom,

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that we are fighting for,

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and I’m willing to pay that cost.

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Then Haiti’s first gold rush
since the days of Christopher Columbus.

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U.S. and Canadian mining companies
are hoping to strike it rich

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in the hemisphere’s poorest country.

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But will the people of Haiti benefit?

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We’ll speak with reporter Jane Regan.

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All that and more, coming up.

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Welcome to Democracy Now!,
democracynow.org,

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The War and Peace Report.

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I’m Amy Goodman.

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New fighting has erupted in Yemen
as part of a government offensive

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on al-Qaeda militants
in the country’s south.

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Seven people were killed earlier today

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when fighters attacked a town
held by government troops.

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The clashes came hours
after some 20 fighters

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and seven soldiers exchanged fire
on the outskirts of Jaar.

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The ongoing fighting in Yemen
comes amidst a major food crisis,

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with some five million
people undernourished

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and 300,000 children
facing life-threatening malnutrition.

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Syrian rebels

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have issued a 48-hour deadline
for the regime of President Bashar

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al-Assad to comply
with an international peace plan

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or face renewed fighting.

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The Free Syrian Army
says it will give Assad’s forces

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until early Friday morning

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to adhere to the agreement brokered
by international envoy Kofi Annan.

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Speaking in Turkey,
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon

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said Syria is at risk
of a full-scale civil war.

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Ban Ki-moon: "The joint special envoy,
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has expressed his concerns

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that we may have reached
a tipping point in Syria,

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that the massacre of civilians
of the sort seen last weekend

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could plunge Syria
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a civil war from which the country
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I demand that the government
of Syria act

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on its commitment
under the Annan peace plan."

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In the latest violence
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U.N. observers say 13 bodies
have been discovered in an eastern area

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with their hands
tied behind their backs.

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Syrian forces continue to bomb
the rebel-held area of Homs.

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At the United Nations,

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U.S. envoy Susan Rice said Syria
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should it continue
to flout the Annan peace plan.

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Susan Rice: "Members of this council

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and members
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are left with the option
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whether they’re prepared to take actions
outside of the Annan plan

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and the authority of this council.

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That scenario obviously is the one

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we all have sought to avoid
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The decision rests in the first instance
with the Syrian government."

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The Assad regime has faced
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following the massacre of more than 100
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On Wednesday, Turkey
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to expel a Syrian diplomat,
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Also speaking at the United Nations,
Syrian envoy Bashar Ja’afari

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denied government responsibility
for the killings in Houla.

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In Iraq, at least 13 people have died
in a series of bombings in Baghdad.

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The deadliest attack

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occurred when a parked car exploded
outside of a crowded restaurant,

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killing 10 people
and wounding 25 others.

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New figures show civilian deaths
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are showing at least a temporary decline
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According to the United Nations,

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killings of civilians dropped 21 percent
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Last year was the deadliest on record

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for civilians
in the more than decade-long Afghan war.

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Reports have emerged a Pakistani doctor
sentenced to 33 years in prison

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after helping to track down Osama bin

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Laden was actually convicted
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not of aiding the CIA.

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The news comes after U.S. lawmakers
voted to cut $33 million

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in aid to Pakistan

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in response to Shakil Afridi’s sentence.

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Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
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Afridi had worked with the CIA
to set up a fake vaccination program

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to help locate bin Laden.

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But a Pakistani court reportedly
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instead focusing on his connection

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to a warlord whose fighters
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Hundreds of Tibetans have reportedly
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in Tibet’s capital of Lhasa.

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The protests broke out
after two people set themselves on fire

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in protest of China earlier this week.

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It was said to be the first major act

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of protest against Chinese control
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In election news,
Florida Gov. Rick Scott

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is moving forward with a plan

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to purge thousands of people
from the voting rolls in a state

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that could be a key battleground
in the November election.

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While the move is ostensibly aimed
at cracking down on non-citizens,

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critics say the process
has relied on outdated information

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and swept up hundreds
of eligible citizen voters.

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Already, citizens have begun

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receiving letters identifying them
as possible non-citizens

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and requiring them to provide proof
of citizenship in order to vote.

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An analysis by the Miami Herald
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Democratic and independent-minded voters

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are most likely
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The news of the Florida voter purge
follows a wave of voter ID laws

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that have passed in multiple states

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as part of what some see as a bid

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to disenfranchise Democratic voters
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On Wednesday,
Attorney General Eric Holder

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discussed the attack
on voting rights in an address

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to African-American lawmakers
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Eric Holder: "Despite our nation’s
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of extending voting rights
to non-property owners

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and to women,

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to people of color, to Native Americans,

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and to younger Americans, today
a growing number of our fellow citizens

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are worried about the same disparities,

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divisions and problems
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ago so many fought to address.

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In my travels across this country,

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I’ve heard a consistent drumbeat
of concern from citizens who,

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often for the first time in their lives,

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now have reason to believe

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that we are failing to live up
to one of our nation’s most noble ideals

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and that some of the achievements

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that defined the civil rights movement
now hang, again, in the balance.”

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A new analysis has found
most major companies

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that have publicly expressed
concern about climate change

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have privately contradicted that stance

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by donating money to candidates opposed
to environmentally friendly policies.

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The Union of Concerned Scientists
found half of the 28 companies studied

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had misrepresented climate science
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despite taking public stances
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Less than a third of the companies

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supported science-based climate policy
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while the rest supported candidates
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Nine couples in Illinois have filed suit

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to challenge the state’s ban
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The lawsuit was filed one year
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after Illinois enacted civil unions
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but continued to deprive them
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and protections of marriage.

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The White House has apologized to Poland
over language used by President Obama

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in honoring Polish resistance fighter
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Obama referred to a "Polish death camp"
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was occupied by Nazi Germany.

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On Wednesday,
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said Obama misspoke.

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Jay Carney: "The President misspoke.

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He was referring to Nazi death camps
in German-occupied Poland.

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And as we made clear,
we regret the misstatement,

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and that simple misstatement
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from the clear intention
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all those brave Polish citizens

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who stood on the side of human dignity
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Jan Karski, the Polish diplomat,

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visited the Warsaw Ghetto
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came to the United States,

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visited U.S. officials, including
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to talk about what he saw.

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Thousands of people marched in cities
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in an act of solidarity
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Demonstrators banged pots and pans

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as they walked through the streets
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to the so-called "casserole" protests

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that have erupted in Quebec
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imposed an emergency law
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Video of an Illinois Republican
legislator launching an angry tirade

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on the floor
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is making the rounds on the internet.

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The lawmaker, Mike Bost,

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exploded in a speech denouncing
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of House leader Mike Madigan,
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Mike Bost: "Again, total power
in one person’s hands —

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not the American way!

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These damn bills
that come out here all the damn time,

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come out here at the last second,

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and I’ve got to try to figure out
how to vote for my people!

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How ashamed of —

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or you should be!

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You should be ashamed of yourselves!

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I’m sick of it!

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Every year!

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We give power to one person!

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It was not made that way
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He was around when it was written!

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Now we give him —

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we passed rules
that stop each one of us! Enough!

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I feel like somebody
trying to be released from Egypt!

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Let my people go!"

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And those are some of the headlines
this is Democracy Now,

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Democracynow.org,
the War and Peace Report.

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I’m Amy Goodman.

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AMY GOODMAN: Today marks
the third anniversary

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of the death of Dr. George Tiller,

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a 67-year-old abortion provider
who was shot point blank in the forehead

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as he attended services
in his Wichita, Kansas, church.

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Dr. Tiller’s clinic
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that performed abortions
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He faced constant threats and incidents
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in the decades leading up to his death.

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His clinic was bombed in 1985.

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In 1993, Dr. Tiller

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survived an assassination attempt
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Speaking to the Feminist
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he described the danger he faced.

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DR. GEORGE TILLER: While I
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between 1973 and 1985,

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I thought I was just
Joe Blow family physician,

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raising my kids, stamping out disease,

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and taking family vacations.

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But that’s not true.

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There are a lot
of—it has been impressed on me

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that there are a lot
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that don’t like what we do.

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And this is what an office looks like
when it’s been bombed at about midnight.

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Our response was,
and still continues to be, "Hell,

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no, we won’t go!"

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I put up $10,000 as a reward.

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Nobody ever collected on it.

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That was 1986.

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We tried to get back
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but we had to put up some gates
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And again, I had my head in the sand.

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I’m taking care of people, one patient—

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you know, we were trying to make
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one woman at a time.

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And I said, "No, this stuff
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AMY GOODMAN: That was Dr. George Tiller
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a year before he was assassinated.

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The gunman, Scott Roeder,
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The anniversary of Dr. Tiller’s murder
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against reproductive healthcare
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Last week,
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one of which provided abortion,
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A New Orleans group
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to sex workers, transgender women

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and poor women of color was also struck
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the arsonist targeted a room
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including models used to teach
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Well, today reproductive

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rights activists are organizing
to honor George Tiller’s work

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and to mobilize against a wave
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curtailing women’s ability
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Today, the House of Representatives
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to ban abortions based
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The Prenatal Nondiscrimination Act

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would impose possible fines
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on doctors who knowingly
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At the state level,
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are bans on abortion in later pregnancy.

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In Louisiana, two bills
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One bill bans abortion 20 weeks
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except in cases
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Under the new bill, doctors
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could face a prison sentence
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At least seven states now ban abortion
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based on the medically contested notion

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that a fetus
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A similar measure banning abortion
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has also been pushed by Republican
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The District’s only
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was denied the chance
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at a House subcommittee hearing
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For more, we go to Washington, D.C.,

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where we’re joined by two guests.

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Vicki Saporta is president and CEO
of the National Abortion Federation.

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She was a friend of Dr. George Tiller.

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And we’re joined
by Dr. Willie Parker, a physician,

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abortion provider

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and board member of Physicians
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We welcome you both to Democracy Now!

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Vicki Saporta, let’s start off by—

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well, you knew Dr. George Tiller,

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who was killed three years ago today.

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Talk about what he did, his mission
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VICKI SAPORTA: He was a remarkably
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and we heard stories
in memorial services

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all over the country from people
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NAF runs a toll-free hotline,

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and we referred one woman
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She was from a Southern state.

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She couldn’t afford the care
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And he offered to provide
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if she could get to Wichita.

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and he found out she was sleeping
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And he instructed his staff
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to provide her with a coat,
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And so, not only did he
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he also provided her with lodging, food,

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and treated her with the dignity
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In another case,
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who lived in a large Eastern city

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where she should have been able
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Her care was delayed.

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She couldn’t receive the care
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And when Dr. Tiller
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he offered to take care of Annie.

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And when this very young rape survivor
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she was greeted by Dr. Tiller
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wearing pink T-shirts

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with purple lettering
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And these are not isolated stories.

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We hear story after story
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that people were treated with,
the excellent care

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that they received
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He was a remarkable physician,

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and we miss him every day.

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AMY GOODMAN: And talk
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who Scott Roeder was.

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VICKI SAPORTA: We had an extremist

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who had been planning to murder
Dr. Tiller for a number of years,

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based on his own testimony at his trial.

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And he went to Dr. Tiller’s church

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twice prior to his being able
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And his testimony
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This is a physician that was targeted,

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as you mentioned
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and he put up with threats, violence
and harassment every single day.

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And he did it because he knew
how important the care

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he provided was to his patients.

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And he paid the ultimate sacrifice.

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He was an incredible physician,

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and he has left a huge void
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that others are trying to fill.

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AMY GOODMAN: I want to play a bit—
VICKI SAPORTA: But as I said—

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AMY GOODMAN: —of what Scott Roeder
said at his sentencing

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hearing back in April of 2010.

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Roeder repeatedly defended his crime.

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SCOTT ROEDER: Had the courts
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I would have not shot George Tiller.

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The blame for George Tiller’s death

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lies more with the state of Kansas
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The state of Kansas permits,

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protects and promotes the slaughter
of these children.

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George Tiller was their hit man.

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AMY GOODMAN: That’s Scott Roeder.

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In fact, he had tried
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and a clinic worker there had reported
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And yet, he wasn’t stopped.

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Scott Roeder didn’t just
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there at the Wichita church,
murdering George Tiller, Vicki.

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VICKI SAPORTA: Oftentimes
these extremists start with lower-level

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criminal activity,

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and that activity escalates,

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which is why law enforcement response
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very important.

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Roeder tried to justify his actions,

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tried to put forward
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which was not allowed,

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as it should not have been.

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There is no justification
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or any other healthcare professional.

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And in a civilized society,

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we can’t allow people
to settle political differences

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by murdering one another.

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And this was an abhorrent act.

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And he will spend the rest
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AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk
about the void left by Dr. Tiller,

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the closing of the clinic,
and access to abortion in Kansas now?

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VICKI SAPORTA: There is no abortion
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so women have to travel some distance

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in order to obtain the abortion care
they need if they live in Kansas.

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But Dr. Tiller cared for women
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Genetic counselors, perinatologists
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because they knew that their patients
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and compassionate care.

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And others have extended their practices

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and have tried to fill the void
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and so we are able to refer women to
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But Dr. Tiller and his staff
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and we, as a community,
still miss him every day.

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Just listening to his voice
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that he came to our meetings
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And others were happy
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to thank him and to get his advice
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And he was equally generous
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as he was to his patients.

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He was a revered,
respected and beloved physician.

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AMY GOODMAN: Dr. Willie Parker,

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the issue
of providing later-term abortions,

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which is also what Dr. Tiller was doing,

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you, yourself, do that, as well.

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This not only was murdering a physician

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who did this and taking out
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but other women
would come to him from all over.

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Can you talk, Dr. Willie Parker,

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about legislation
that would affect where you are,

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in Washington, D.C.,

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and this unusual move
of an Arizona congressmember

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to limit abortions
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DR. WILLIE PARKER: Well, first,
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on the anniversary
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that I had the good occasion of meeting—

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AMY GOODMAN: I’m sorry, Dr. Parker.

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We are not hearing—

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we’re not hearing you speak.

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DR. WILLIE PARKER: Can you hear me?

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AMY GOODMAN: Oh, OK. Go ahead.
DR. WILLIE PARKER: OK.

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Can you hear me now?

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I’d like to say, on the anniversary
of Dr. Tiller’s death, I had the good—

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AMY GOODMAN: Dr. Willie Parker—

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DR. WILLIE PARKER: Hello? Can you
hear me?

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AMY GOODMAN: Continue
with what you’re saying.

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DR. WILLIE PARKER: OK. I had
the good fortune of meeting Dr. Tiller

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at the National Abortion Federation
meeting three years prior to his death.

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And his generosity
and his kindness was unrivaled.

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And he welcomed me, because I
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And it’s in the spirit—his spirit
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of commitment to women in their care.

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Practicing here
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where—based on a bill
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based on medically inaccurate
information around fetal pain,

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bill that would outlaw abortion
beyond 20 weeks,

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it has the potential to put us,
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in the position
to have to deny care to women

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who are often in tragic situations
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What’s incredible
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for restricting abortion access to women
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is not being driven by the people
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but by political ideology.

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And the impact on me as a physician
is that bin of the tragic cases

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that I’ve encountered of women
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or with health issues,

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will be restricted
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AMY GOODMAN: Why Arizona?

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Why a congressmember from Arizona
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DR. WILLIE PARKER: Well, it’s the—

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it’s an artifact of the fact
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has not been allowed
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and to be self-determining.

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And because of that, it’s in a form of
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And so, it creates the opportunity

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for people who are ideologically driven
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This is not the first time Senator—

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or, well, Representative Franks

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has tried to legislate his very
restrictive position on abortion.

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It has been the first time
that he’s been able to take it farther.

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And I think he’s trying
to capitalize on a strategy

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that’s been very effective,

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the notion
of trying to frame abortion restriction

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in terms of fetal pain,

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which, again,
is not supported by scientific evidence.

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And he’s basically doing it
because he can,

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because of the situation.

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AMY GOODMAN: Dr. Parker, can you talk
about what it means to be a doctor

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who provides abortion up to 24 weeks?

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Who comes to you?

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DR. WILLIE PARKER: Well, as I said,
providing abortion up to the legal limit

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allows me to respond to the needs
of women

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who are albeit a small percentage
of women who actually have abortions.

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the percentage of women over 21 weeks
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Often—2 percent is not a small number.

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That means approximately 150,000 women
annually in the country need this care.

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And the women who often find out
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that they are pregnant

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or that there’s a problem
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are often very much desirous
of continuing their pregnancy,

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but when they figure out
that the pregnancy

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that they’re carrying is fatally flawed,

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those women—oftentimes women
who are at reproductive age extremes,

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like extremely young women
who have unreliable periods

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and have difficulty recognizing
that they’re pregnant,

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as well as women over the age of 40

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who are in the highest risk

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for having abnormalities
of their pregnancy—

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they are the women

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who are also in sometimes very
chaotic life circumstances.

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So the pictures vary,
but the reality is all women are at risk

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for an unplanned
and potentially unwanted pregnancy,

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so the reality

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of needing abortion after 20 weeks cuts
across all demographics.

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AMY GOODMAN: Vicki Saporta,

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the arson attacks
on women’s health clinics

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just in the last weeks, can you talk
about what’s happened in Georgia,

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as well as what’s happened
in New Orleans?

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VICKI SAPORTA: We’re very concerned
about the escalation of violence

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in Georgia.

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We started out with burglaries
against some clinics.

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They escalated to arsons.

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And the last arson was set
not in the middle of the night,

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as is the usual pattern,

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but during the day when patients
and staff were at the facility.

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And we were very lucky that no one
was injured or killed in that fire.

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And the perpetrator showed
a complete disregard for human life.

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And we are working with law enforcement
to try to help identify the perpetrator

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and help in their investigation
in any way that we can,

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so that this person can’t do harm
to any other facilities or people.

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We often see that when things escalate,
they continue to escalate,

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unless we have strong law
enforcement response,

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which we do in this case.

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And we need to find the perpetrator
of those crimes.

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AMY GOODMAN: Let me ask you
about the New Orleans advocacy service

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organization called Women With a Vision,
which provides healthcare

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00:28:32.600 --> 00:28:34.580
and other support
for poor women of color.

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It was the victim of a break-in
and arson late Thursday night.

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I want to go to a clip
of the group’s executive director,

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Deon Haywood, explaining what happened.

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DEON HAYWOOD: I think I’ve cried as much
as I’m going to allow myself for today.

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I feel violated.

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More than anything,

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I’m concerned about our clients
not having a place to come.

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But the work will continue.

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It’s not going to stop us
from speaking out for people

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who don’t have a voice.

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00:29:08.780 --> 00:29:12.430
We’ve had some issues with people
not liking our work or feeling like,

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00:29:12.430 --> 00:29:15.080
why are we helping certain populations
of people—

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you know, formerly incarcerated people,

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00:29:17.300 --> 00:29:18.950
people struggling with addiction,

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or poor women or low-income women
of color and the transgender community.

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This just gives us more fuel
to continue to fight.

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00:29:28.470 --> 00:29:30.360
AMY GOODMAN: That was Deon Haywood.

539
00:29:30.360 --> 00:29:31.620
Vicki Saporta?

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00:29:33.460 --> 00:29:35.040
VICKI SAPORTA: Well,
these are hate crimes.

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And these are terrorists
who are committing these crimes.

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00:29:38.050 --> 00:29:41.600
And we need to find out
who’s responsible,

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00:29:42.340 --> 00:29:45.800
and we need to prosecute them
to the fullest extent of the law.

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00:29:45.800 --> 00:29:51.380
People need to understand that they
can’t get away with using violence

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00:29:52.210 --> 00:29:56.680
to advance their own personal,
private political agendas.

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00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:01.120
And we’re calling on law enforcement
now to see if these two arsons

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are in any way related,
because sometimes they are.

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They may not be,
but we would like law enforcement

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00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:12.860
to at least take a look
at that possibility.

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00:30:14.620 --> 00:30:17.310
AMY GOODMAN: Dr. Willie Parker,
the TRAP laws,

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00:30:17.310 --> 00:30:18.890
can you explain what they are

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00:30:18.890 --> 00:30:22.510
and how they affect abortion providers
like you, your work?

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00:30:24.060 --> 00:30:26.500
DR. WILLIE PARKER: TRAP
laws‚ the acronym actually stands

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for "targeted restrictions
of abortion providers"

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or "targeted regulations
of abortion providers."

556
00:30:32.610 --> 00:30:36.570
And, in essence, TRAP laws
are rules and regulations

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that are enforced
on abortion providers or clinics that,

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under the guise
of making abortion care safer,

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they impose burdensome regulations

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00:30:49.090 --> 00:30:53.000
in terms of reporting requirements
or spontaneous visits

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00:30:53.540 --> 00:30:58.800
that potentially compromise
patient confidentiality,

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as well as potentially costly
renovations of clinic space

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00:31:04.560 --> 00:31:07.470
in ways that have nothing
to do with patient safety.

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00:31:07.470 --> 00:31:10.700
The TRAP laws,
when they’re implemented—

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and they take various forms
in different states—

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often serve as to make
abortion access practically impossible,

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because if they can’t be complied with,

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the clinics often have to close,

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or they have a chill effect on providers
being willing to provide abortion care.

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AMY GOODMAN: And, Vicki Saporta,

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the House of Representatives
voting on the new legislation

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to ban abortions
based on sex of a fetus,

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00:31:38.950 --> 00:31:40.530
people might say this is a good thing.

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They don’t want tests done
for a female fetus,

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and then abortion
because the fetus is female.

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Talk about the origin
of this and what it means.

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VICKI SAPORTA: This is another bill

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being sponsored
by Representative Franks.

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There are problems in the world
with sex selection in Asian countries—

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China, India and others—

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but this is not a widespread problem
in the United States.

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And it’s aimed
at regulating doctors’ speech

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with their patients

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and criminalizing doctors
for having open conversations

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that they need to have to provide
the quality of care that women deserve.

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00:32:28.850 --> 00:32:35.940
And the bill wants to criminalize
doctors for providing care

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00:32:35.940 --> 00:32:42.110
and wants to have them violate
patient confidentiality and turn

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00:32:42.110 --> 00:32:43.460
in their patients

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00:32:43.460 --> 00:32:45.060
if they learn something

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00:32:45.060 --> 00:32:48.570
in the conversation
and in the course of their care.

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00:32:48.570 --> 00:32:51.590
This is against all medical ethics

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00:32:51.590 --> 00:32:54.670
and the practice
of medicine in the United States.

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00:32:54.670 --> 00:32:58.090
And it’s aimed at, again,

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making abortion care
less accessible for women.

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AMY GOODMAN: I want to turn
to anti-abortion activist

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Lila Rose’s group Live Action,

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00:33:04.270 --> 00:33:08.590
which released a highly edited
undercover sting video on Tuesday.

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The group claims Planned Parenthood is
facilitating gender-selective abortions.

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This is a clip of the video
on so-called "gendercide."

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LILA ROSE: Even sections of America’s
population have distorted sex ratios.

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Gendercide exists
on almost every continent.

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00:33:26.140 --> 00:33:30.700
If experts are right and gendercide
is taking place in our own backyard,

603
00:33:30.700 --> 00:33:34.750
what is being done to protect our girls
from the most brutal form

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00:33:34.750 --> 00:33:36.060
of discrimination,

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00:33:36.060 --> 00:33:38.140
violent sex-selective abortion?

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00:33:39.970 --> 00:33:41.730
AMY GOODMAN: Your response
to this, Vicki Saporta?

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VICKI SAPORTA: Lila Rose has tried
to do sting operations

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00:33:48.230 --> 00:33:50.570
at many Planned Parenthood facilities,

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00:33:50.570 --> 00:33:56.230
and she selectively edits her work.

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This is not a widespread problem
in the United States.

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They were trying to also include
race selection in the bill in Congress,

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and the outcry
from the civil rights community

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00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:15.530
and others forced them to basically
take that out of the bill,

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00:34:15.530 --> 00:34:18.020
because there was no basis for it.

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00:34:19.420 --> 00:34:21.270
Congress has passed—

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the House of Representatives has passed
a number of bills to restrict abortion

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and to make it more difficult
for women to access abortion care.

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And we’re seeing the same thing
happening in many of the states.

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There’s an unprecedented number
of bills being enacted in the states

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to limit women’s access
to abortion care.

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And it’s part of an overall agenda

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that’s very well articulated
by those who oppose abortion:

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if they can’t make abortion illegal
again in this country,

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they intend to make it inaccessible
for women.

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00:34:53.780 --> 00:35:03.790
And they pass a lot of legislation aimed
at trying to improve women’s safety,

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when in fact abortion

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is one of the safest medical procedures
provided in the country today

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and doesn’t need
to be further regulated.

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AMY GOODMAN: Finally, Dr. Willie Parker,
you provide later-term abortions.

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Why do you continue
to do this when abortion providers

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continue to be under such threat?

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DR. WILLIE PARKER: Well, I’d like to be
as committed as Dr. George Tiller was.

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And his commitment came from seeing
firsthand the need that women have,

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that reproduction

635
00:35:39.490 --> 00:35:46.200
is not as clean and black and white
as people like to make it,

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00:35:46.200 --> 00:35:49.230
and tragic situations
arise all the time.

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00:35:49.230 --> 00:35:53.470
That need was there when Dr. Tiller
rose to meet the occasion.

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00:35:53.470 --> 00:35:57.510
And with his unfortunate assassination,
that need has not gone away.

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I take commonsense measures,

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00:35:59.370 --> 00:36:02.040
and I’m concerned about my safety,
like anyone else,

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00:36:02.040 --> 00:36:03.900
but to be overly concerned about that,

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00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:05.700
for me, represents a distraction.

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00:36:05.700 --> 00:36:10.030
It doesn’t leave me position
to respond to the needs of women.

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00:36:10.030 --> 00:36:14.800
And so, I, out of a sense of compassion
and out of a sense

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that it’s—abortion is healthcare,

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00:36:16.940 --> 00:36:19.150
after not providing this service
for women

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00:36:19.150 --> 00:36:21.310
for the first 12 years of my career,

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I came to realize
that it’s important that abortion,

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along with all the other valuable
healthcare that I provide for women,

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be a part of what I do.

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And I will continue to do that.

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00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:35.620
AMY GOODMAN: I want to end
with the words of Dr. Tiller

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at an event organized
by Feminist Majority in 2008.

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Dr. Tiller discussed his vision
for a more just and humane society.

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DR. GEORGE TILLER: I personally see
a society that respects the integrity

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of its citizens
to struggle with complex health issues

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and make decisions that are appropriate
for them and their personal lives.

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00:36:56.300 --> 00:37:00.870
I see a society
that respects the religious differences

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00:37:00.870 --> 00:37:02.240
of its citizens.

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00:37:02.240 --> 00:37:05.860
I see a society that rejects hate,

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00:37:05.860 --> 00:37:10.010
rejects judgmental condemnation,
and rejects prejudice and racism.

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00:37:10.560 --> 00:37:13.640
I see a government
that honors the privacy of its citizens

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00:37:13.640 --> 00:37:15.700
without unwarranted surveillance.

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I see a society
where war is not an option—

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00:37:19.520 --> 00:37:20.770
thank you—

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00:37:22.680 --> 00:37:25.610
and the negotiation with mutual respect

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is the hallmark,
rather than mutual self-destruction.

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I see a society
where the welfare of all—I see a society

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where the welfare of all is equally
important as the riches of the few.

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I see a world that discusses solutions
without demanding its own answers.

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We have given war, pestilence, hate,

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00:37:45.740 --> 00:37:49.480
greed, judgment, ego,
self-sufficiency a good try.

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And it failed.

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We need a new paradigm
that consists of kindness, courtesy,

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justice, love and respect
in all our relationships.

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Work hard.

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Be a leader.

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Your way of life depends on it.

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And just look at the rest of the world.

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That’s the way the anti-abortion segment
of our population

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wants the U.S.A. to be.

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And how do we do that?

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We do it the way
we have always done things:

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we fail our way forward.

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We consider defeat
a temporary inconvenience.

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And we never, ever,
ever take no for an answer.

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Never take no for an answer.

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Work hard.

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Be a leader.

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The rest of your life depends on it,

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and the life of your sisters

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and brothers
throughout the world depend on it.

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Thank you.

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AMY GOODMAN: Dr. George Tiller
was murdered three years ago today

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as he went to his church
in Wichita, Kansas.

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00:38:55.290 --> 00:38:57.610
Vicki Saporta,
thank you so much for being with us,

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00:38:57.610 --> 00:38:59.510
president and CEO
of National Abortion Federation,

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00:38:59.510 --> 00:39:01.650
and Dr. Willie Parker,
abortion provider,

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00:39:01.650 --> 00:39:04.400
board member of Physicians
for Reproductive Choice and Health.

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We’ll be back in a minute.

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AMY GOODMAN: We turn
to the Gulf island kingdom of Bahrain,

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where the pro-democracy activist
Zainab Alkhawaja

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has been released from prison
after a month behind bars.

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00:40:16.710 --> 00:40:19.160
She was jailed in April
after protesting the detention

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00:40:19.160 --> 00:40:21.370
of her father, Abdulhadi Alkhawaja.

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Her release comes one day after he ended
his more than three-month hunger strike.

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Abdulhadi’s wife, Khadija Mousawi,

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said her imprisoned husband will keep
fighting for democracy in Bahrain.

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KHADIJA MOUSAWI: I know that my husband
will never stop protesting,

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by going on hunger strike or otherwise.

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I know that now he will be thinking,
what’s next?

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And very soon maybe we’ll hear
something else he’s going to do.

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But he is not a quitter.

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AMY GOODMAN: Abdulhadi Alkhawaja
and seven other activists

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were sentenced to life in prison
last year by a military-run court

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as part of government crackdowns
on demonstrations

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00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:02.200
calling for more democratic rule
under the U.S.-backed regime.

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They’re among a 21-member group

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whose cases are being reexamined
by a civilian court.

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As Alkhawaja remains locked up,
his colleague Nabeel Rajab

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was released on bail
after being held for nearly a month.

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Rajab is the president
of the Bahrain Center for Human Rights.

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We’re going now to Bahrain,

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where we’re joined
by Nabeel Rajab by Democracy Now!

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video stream, as well as by phone
by Zainab Alkhawaja.

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We welcome you both to Democracy Now!

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Nabeel, let’s begin with you.

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Talk about why you were imprisoned
and what happened while you were there.

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NABEEL RAJAB: In fact,
according to the accusation,

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that they accused me of tweeting
and insulting the security institution

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and calling for unpermitted gathering,

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and all about my freedom
of expression, about my opinion,

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about my criticism
to the action of the police,

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about my work on human right,

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about my activity
as a human right defender,

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calling people to protest
peacefully together, to march.

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And I think this comes as a punishment
for my work in the past few years.

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And now, again, I’m released on bail
temporarily ’til the verdict,

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which should be out anytime next month.

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AMY GOODMAN: And can you tell me,
Zainab, what happened to you,

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why you were arrested,

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why you were held,

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and what happened to you in jail?
ZAINAB ALKHAWAJA: Yeah, hi.

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This is the fifth time
I’m arrested, actually.

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And even now,
after I have been released,

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I don’t know how many cases
I have in court.

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At least three,
and could be up to seven or eight cases.

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Every time they arrest me,
it’s not really for any good reason.

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They don’t have any evidence against me.

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Usually they accuse me
of participating in illegal gathering

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or verbally assaulting riot police,

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00:42:51.220 --> 00:42:55.420
and these are usually
what the court accuses me of.

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However, just like Nabeel Rajab

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and just like my father
and many other activists, the reason

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is that they’re trying to punish us,

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they’re trying to silence us,

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for writing and documenting the abuses
that are happening in the country.

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AMY GOODMAN: Talk about the Grand Prix,

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why you chose that moment
to protest, Zainab?

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ZAINAB ALKHAWAJA: I think
the Grand Prix really made many people

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upset in Bahrain,

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because we’re going
through a very difficult time,

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where people are being tortured,

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protesters are being killed and injured.

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And the government
announced that the Formula One

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was going to be a celebration
for all Bahrainis,

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at a time when we were suffering.

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And I think this really made
many people upset,

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made many people go out protesting.

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And I’m one of those people who were
very upset by what was happening.

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AMY GOODMAN: Nabeel Rajab,

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what about the role
of the United States?

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The United States now speaks
out against violence against people,

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for example, in Syria.

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But what about in Bahrain?

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NABEEL RAJAB: Well, so far—so far,
the American government

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played only negative role on Bahrain.

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We’ve seen double-standard
foreign policy of United States.

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If you compare Bahrain and with Libya
and Syria, we see hypocrisy.

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We see how they’re selling arms
to Bahrain

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at the time
where they’re killing their own people,

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and at the time
they’re asking the Russian

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not to sell arms to Syria
or to Libya at that time.

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We always thought the American base
here,

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the American-Bahraini good relation

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will benefit our fight
for freedom and democracy in our region,

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but it turned out
to be absolutely wrong.

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We turned out to be absolutely opposite.

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They are supporting the dictators here,
the repressive regime.

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And they are not—I mean,

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when they speak also
about the protests in Bahrain,

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they ask both party to stop violence,
when we are protesting very peacefully.

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None of our people carry any arm.

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None of our people carry anything.

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So far, many people
among our people were killed.

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At least 90 people so far were killed.

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At least thousands
of people were wounded,

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where they will never
go back to their life.

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At least thousands of people
were detained or fired from work.

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But still, we made sure—

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we are very committed
to peaceful struggle,

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because we believe we could change,

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we could have our democracy
with peaceful change.

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But when you
see American government talking,

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always they ask both party
to stop violence.

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So they want to present us
as a people using violence.

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We are very upset about
United States’ position with Bahrain.

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We are very upset about United States
trying to hide the crimes

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and trying to hide the violation
happening in all the Gulf country.

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Because the Gulf country
are a rich region,

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because it’s a big arm market,

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because it’s a big oil exporter,

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we have to suffer for that.

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We are victims for being a rich region.

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We are a victim of being a region

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that have an interest
with the United States.

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Unfortunately, the United States—

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and the West, as well,
comes after United States—

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have ignored completely the crime
what’s happening here.

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They are calling for economic sanction
here and there, against Russia,

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against Iran, against Libya,
for the human right record,

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and they are ignoring all the crimes
committed over here in Bahrain.

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Thanks God United States
have channels like you, Democracy Now!,

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and many human right organizations
that shows the other bright side

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of United States. [inaudible]

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United States government
are building very bad image in here

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because of their support to dictators
and repressive regimes.

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AMY GOODMAN: Zainab Alkhawaja, can you
talk about the condition of your father,

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who went on a hunger strike of—

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how many days, ultimately?

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He just ended that strike.

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ZAINAB ALKHAWAJA: My father
was on a hunger strike for 110 days.

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On the last day of his hunger strike,
he was only 49 kilos.

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Now he is better.

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We have spoken to him.

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I spoke to him after I was released.

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He sounded much stronger,
and he has gained already two kilos.

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And I’m very glad.

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We’re all very glad that he decided
to finally end his hunger strike.

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AMY GOODMAN: Have you been able
to speak to him—

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were you able to speak to him
when you, too, were in jail,

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as he was on his hunger strike?

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00:47:26.990 --> 00:47:30.200
ZAINAB ALKHAWAJA: He was allowed
to speak to me once when I was in jail,

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when I went on hunger strike
for six days.

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To convince me to end my strike,

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they allowed me to have a call
and speak to my father.

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00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:42.680
AMY GOODMAN: On May 9th,
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton

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met with the Bahraini Crown Prince
Salman bin Hamad Al-Khalifa

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in Washington.

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00:47:49.650 --> 00:47:52.510
Zainab, I believe you were in jail.

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Your father was on hunger strike.

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00:47:55.600 --> 00:47:58.390
The significance of this meeting?

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00:47:59.060 --> 00:48:01.410
At the time, also solidified

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00:48:01.410 --> 00:48:07.420
was the continuation of weapons
to Bahrain from the United States.

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00:48:09.600 --> 00:48:11.340
ZAINAB ALKHAWAJA: Yes.
I mean, this is one thing

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that really upsets
the pro-democracy movement in Bahrain.

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00:48:15.500 --> 00:48:18.750
This is something
that is really surprising and shocking,

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that a government
like the American administration,

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that’s called for democracy
and for freedom,

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is showing so much support
for dictators in our country.

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And, I mean, it’s very ironic
that while I was in prison,

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I read headlines in the newspaper
saying that Bahrain, our country,

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is turning a new page,

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00:48:37.420 --> 00:48:41.460
where activists have the freedom
to speak and to move around.

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And at the same time,
I’m in prison, my father is in prison,

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Nabeel Rajab is in prison,

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and all the prominent activists that I
know were imprisoned or in hiding.

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So, really,
and here on the ground in Bahrain,

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we’re seeing all the crimes
that are happening,

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all the violations that are happening.

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00:48:58.460 --> 00:48:59.830
Nobody feels safe.

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00:48:59.830 --> 00:49:02.570
Many people here have been
arrested several times.

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And this is—in the end, it’s not really
about me or my father or Nabeel.

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This is about the hundreds
of people who are suffering,

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the thousands of people
who are suffering in Bahrain.

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And, I mean, while I have been released
and Nabeel has been released,

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there are children in Bahraini prisons
right now who have not.

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Ahmed Aoun, who is only 16 years old,
is in prison right now.

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00:49:22.080 --> 00:49:23.160
He is also injured.

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00:49:23.160 --> 00:49:25.190
He was shot with birdshot in his eye.

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00:49:25.190 --> 00:49:28.590
He is not—he has not been
allowed to go for surgery.

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We are afraid that he might lose
his eye while in prison.

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00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:33.300
And he is only 16 years old.

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00:49:33.860 --> 00:49:35.760
Mansour is another activist

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who was working in human rights
and documenting violations.

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He is only a high school student,

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and he has also been imprisoned.

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The only time I spoke to him
while he was in prison,

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he was telling me to please pray for him

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that he does not get taken back
to the interrogation room,

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where he was beaten severely.

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And there are other people,
you know, like Jaffar Salman,

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who lost both his eyes
because of birdshot,

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00:49:58.530 --> 00:50:00.530
who was sentenced to two years in prison

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in a trial
that lasted less than 15 minutes,

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where he had no lawyer,

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where he had no family present.

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And he is still in that prison.

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And these people
have become nameless and faceless.

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Nobody knows about them.

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Nobody speaks about them.

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And these are the people
we really fear for.

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You know, we don’t know
what’s going to happen to them,

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and we hope that some changes
will happen.

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Until then,
we are going to carry on protesting.

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We are going to carry on going out.

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It doesn’t matter if we get arrested
five, six, 10 times.

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00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:29.990
It’s not going to stop,
because in the end,

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we have sacrificed a lot
for democracy and for freedom.

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00:50:33.660 --> 00:50:36.030
AMY GOODMAN: Nabeel,
we have just 30 seconds.

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The day before the Crown Prince
met with Hillary Clinton

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and she held a news conference,
a Bahraini spokesperson said,

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"We are looking into the perpetrators
and people who use print,

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00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:47.500
broadcast [and] social media

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00:50:47.500 --> 00:50:50.280
to encourage illegal protest
and violence around the country.

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If applying the law
means tougher action, then so be it."

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And the U.S. resumed military weapons.

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Are these weapons used against you,
against the people of Bahrain?

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NABEEL RAJAB: I mean,
all people were killed by—

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00:51:03.120 --> 00:51:04.800
at least half of the people

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00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:09.210
were killed in Bahrain
by tear gas made in United States.

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00:51:09.210 --> 00:51:14.490
Here, the silence of United States
are being seen as a green signal

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00:51:14.490 --> 00:51:17.370
to go ahead with more repression,
more violation.

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00:51:17.370 --> 00:51:19.240
This is how the Bahrain government
see it.

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00:51:19.240 --> 00:51:20.600
Unfortunately, we ask you,

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00:51:20.600 --> 00:51:24.240
we urge human rights groups
to pressure the United States government

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00:51:24.240 --> 00:51:29.500
to change its position in supporting
dictators and repressive regime.

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00:51:29.500 --> 00:51:32.850
AMY GOODMAN: Zainab and Nabeel, I want
to thank you both for being with us.

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Nabeel Rajab is president
of Bahrain’s Center for Human Rights,

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00:51:36.570 --> 00:51:42.180
just released Sunday, after days
of interrogation and imprisonment,

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joining us from the capital of Manama.

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00:51:44.270 --> 00:51:47.410
And thank you very much
to Zainab Alkhawaja,

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who has also just been released.

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00:51:49.910 --> 00:51:56.220
Her father has just ended
his hunger strike after 110 days,

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00:51:56.220 --> 00:51:57.890
but remains imprisoned.

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00:51:57.890 --> 00:51:59.010
This is Democracy Now!

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00:51:59.010 --> 00:52:00.510
Back in 30 seconds.

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AMY GOODMAN: We end today’s show
with a look at how Haiti,

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the poorest nation
in the Western Hemisphere,

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00:52:55.080 --> 00:52:56.830
may be sitting on a gold mine.

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00:52:56.830 --> 00:53:00.820
After years of rumors that mining
companies were exploring in Haiti,

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00:53:00.820 --> 00:53:02.520
Canadian and U.S. corporations

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00:53:02.520 --> 00:53:06.030
now confirm they have permits to mine
as much as one-third of the land

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00:53:06.030 --> 00:53:07.790
in the northern part of the country.

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00:53:07.790 --> 00:53:11.490
Haiti’s new prime minister
says the estimated $20 billion worth

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00:53:11.490 --> 00:53:13.210
of minerals in Haiti’s hills

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00:53:13.210 --> 00:53:16.010
could help liberate it
from dependency on foreign aid

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00:53:16.010 --> 00:53:19.110
and rebuild
from the devastating 2010 earthquake.

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00:53:19.110 --> 00:53:21.080
But many worry the mines will be a boom

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00:53:21.080 --> 00:53:23.620
for foreign investors
and a bust for local communities.

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00:53:23.620 --> 00:53:25.400
For more, we’re joined by Jane Regan,

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00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:28.510
lead author of "Gold Rush
in Haiti!: Who Will Get Rich?"

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00:53:28.510 --> 00:53:30.740
The report by Haiti Grassroots Watch

954
00:53:30.740 --> 00:53:34.060
was published Wednesday in The Guardian
and also in Haïti Liberté.

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00:53:34.060 --> 00:53:36.310
The investigation was made
possible in part

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00:53:36.310 --> 00:53:39.250
by a grant from the Pulitzer Center
on Crisis Reporting.

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00:53:39.250 --> 00:53:42.030
We invited representatives
from the two mining companies

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featured in the report,
but both Eurasian Minerals

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and Newmont Mining Corporation
declined our requests.

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Jane Regan, welcome to Democracy Now!
What did you find?

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JANE REGAN: What we found, Amy,

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was that, very quietly and very quickly,
these foreign companies

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have purchased licenses to either
explore or go all the way

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and exploit, as you said,

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its over a thousand square miles
of Haiti’s north.

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And this is in a circumstance
where we have the poorest country

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in the hemisphere, possibly the most
corrupt government in the hemisphere.

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Recent allegations have come
out of the Dominican Republic

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of massive corruption
of this current president

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and perhaps cabinet.

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But also we have probably the most
neoliberal government in the hemisphere,

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whose slogan is "Haiti
is open for business."

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And so,
you’ve got a perfect storm brewing

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whereby you’re looking
at giant pit mines in the north,

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in a country that’s already
environmentally devastated,

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and giant pit mines being run
by Canadian and American companies

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who have done this all over the world

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in third world countries
where most of the money that’s made

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and most of the gold
that’s dug up will go straight north.

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AMY GOODMAN: Can you tell us, Jane,
about the farmer

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who brought you a letter
that led to this investigation?

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JANE REGAN: Yes, in fact, that farmer
is also a community radio journalist.

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And I think that that’s important
to say here on Democracy Now!

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This story was brought to the attention
of me and my students,

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who are all Haitian investigative
journalism students,

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by a guy
who’s probably about 65 years old.

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And it was a—he had a letter in his hand

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that said that Eurasian Minerals has
the right to explore in 16 communities.

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And he said, "We’re worried
because we heard that gold mining

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can sometimes pollute the water,

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and we’re farmers."

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AMY GOODMAN: One of the men your team
interviewed spoke with residents

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of a village where gold exploration
is already underway.

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They seemed to welcome
the opportunity for more work.

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ANTHONY SYLVESTRE: [translated]
That will be great for us.

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We feel very strongly about something.

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We like foreigners a lot.

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When foreigners come here
and work with us, we are proud,

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and it is beautiful.

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If they made a mine at Morne Bossa,

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it would be
as if God himself came down from heaven.

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REPORTER: [translated]
But don’t you think the company

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might be ripping you off?

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ANTHONY SYLVESTRE: [translated]
Yes, that could happen.

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AMY GOODMAN: Mining companies have said
they can create hundreds

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of jobs in Haiti—again,

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the poorest country
in the Western Hemisphere—

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and help rebuild the country’s
infrastructure. Talk about this.

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JANE REGAN: Well, hundreds of jobs
in a country of 10 million people,

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and you’re taking out how many acres
or hectares of agricultural land?

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And also, these are very low pay—
they’re low-wage jobs.

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Haiti has been
through these mining booms before.

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Reynolds was
in there exploiting bauxite.

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There was a Canadian company
in there that took away a lot of copper.

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I think at the boom period,

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there were 900 people
working for a couple of bucks a day.

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So, that’s not really the way
to develop Haiti

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or help the country
fill its state coffers.

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The most important thing is for Haiti
to look around the hemisphere

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at countries who are doing a good job

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of trying to protect the interests
of their country and of the environment

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at the same time

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as they take advantage
of what’s under the soil.

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So, for instance, Cuba, where nickel is—

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the nickel mining is owned mostly
by the government; or Peru,

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where they’ve now started
to push back against the very company,

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Newmont Mining; Bolivia—

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Morales government says,
"Yeah, we have lithium.

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We’ll exploit the lithium.
Thank you very much.

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If we need your help,
we’ll call on you."

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AMY GOODMAN: Talk about the revolving
door between government officials

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and the mining companies.

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JANE REGAN: Well, this was something
that we did find,

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and I have to say
that this was an investigation

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that had about 12 people involved.

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Two of us were—
three of us were foreigners,

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and everybody else is Haitian students
and Haitian community radio journalists.

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And we discovered
that the former minister of finance

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is now a consultant for Newmont Mining.

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So he was involved in negotiations
of some of the permits,

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which have not yet been published,
but he was privy.

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He sat at the table on the—
supposedly on the public interest side,

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and now he’s on the other side of
the table on the private interest side.

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And I know this happens in our country,
in this country, the United States, too,

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and it’s just appalling.

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AMY GOODMAN: Finally, and we just have
a few minutes, Newmont’s track record—

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in Peru, for example?

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JANE REGAN: In Peru,

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Newmont has the largest pit mine,
certainly in the hemisphere.

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It’s 251 square kilometers.

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It’s called Yanacocha.

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And they’ve been trying
to open another one,

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a gigantic one called Minas Conga.

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And the peasants and the campesinos
and local authorities, environmentalists

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have pushed back to the point
that it might not happen,

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or, if it does happen, it’ll be
under much better circumstances,

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where the environment
will be more protected.

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I think it’s important
to know that, like Reuters,

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but also like all these sort
of accounting agencies,

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write with terror
about "resource nationalism,"

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as if it’s a bad thing for a country

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to want to control
its natural resources.

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I think it’s about time.

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AMY GOODMAN: Jane Regan,
I want to thank you for being with us.

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We’ll continue to follow this story,

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instructor of journalism and coordinator

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of Haiti Grassroots Watch,
based in Haiti.

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Piece is "Gold Rush
in Haiti!: Who Will Get Rich?"