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From New York,
this is Democracy Now!

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This is a climate
damn emergency.

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This is real.
And it’s happening.

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This is the perfect storm.

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It is happening unprecedented
ways, year in, year out.

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California, Oregon
and Washington

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are facing a climate apocalypse

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as devastating fires
burn across the West Coast.

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But President Trump
refuses to link the fires

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to climate crisis,
blaming forest management.

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We’ll look at why farmworkers
are particularly vulnerable,

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as California allows
harvesting to continue

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in many evacuation zones.

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From the beginning
of the pandemic,

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there was the recommendation to
stay home and protect yourself.

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But for our immigrant community,
that was not a viable option.

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How are you going to survive —
at the time, we thought,

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for the next two or three weeks,
now it’s been half a year —

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without an income and without
support from the government?

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This was almost impossible.

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We’ll also speak
to a former firefighter,

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now a wildland fire ecologist
in Oregon.

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Then, with early voting
beginning later this week

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for the November election,

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we’ll speak to
the Reverend William Barber

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about a new campaign
to mobilize,

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register and educate voters
ahead of the election.

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We have to make sure
we overwhelm the system

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by registration
and participation.

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We also have to make sure
our people know

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about mail-in ballots
and early voting.

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We have to fight
for all those things.

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All that and more, coming up.

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Welcome to Democracy Now!,
democracynow.org,

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The Quarantine Report.
I’m Amy Goodman.

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The death toll
from unprecedented fires

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raging across California,

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Oregon and Washington
has risen to 35,

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as smoke from the
record-shattering blazes

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brought some of the world’s
most polluted air to Portland,

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Los Angeles, San Francisco,
Seattle and other cities.

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Nearly 5 million acres
have already burned,

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with entire towns
consumed by flames.

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President Trump is
visiting California today

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but is refusing to link the
fires to the climate crisis.

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California Governor
Gavin Newsom

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says there is no question about
what is fueling the fires.

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Gov. Gavin Newsom:

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"California, folks,
is America fast forward.

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What we’re experiencing right
here is coming to a community

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all across
the United States of America

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unless we get our act
together on climate change,

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unless we disabuse ourselves
of all the BS

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that’s being spewed by
a very small group of people."

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On Friday, Governor Newsom
signed a bill

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allowing former
prisoner firefighters

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to have their records expunged,

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paving the way for them to get
jobs as municipal firefighters.

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As the U.S. COVID-19 death
toll approaches 200,000,

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with over 6.5 million
confirmed cases,

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President Trump held a campaign
rally in Henderson,

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Nevada, Sunday.

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It was Trump’s
first indoor event

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since his June
rally in Tulsa,

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which was linked to a surge
in coronavirus infections.

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The rally was attended
by thousands,

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violating Nevada’s restriction
on gatherings

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of 50 or more people.

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Politico is reporting
communications

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aides at the Department
of Health and Human Services

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have been demanding to review
and alter weekly reports

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from the Centers
for Disease Control

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and Prevention
about the coronavirus.

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The aides reportedly complained
negative news coverage

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would undermine
Trump’s optimistic

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messaging about
the pandemic.

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In immigration news,
The Washington Post reports

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Immigration and Customs
Enforcement agents

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flew imprisoned immigrants
to Virginia

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in order to also fly
Department of Homeland

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Security tactical teams
to the Washington area

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to suppress protests
around the capital.

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ICE employees are barred

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from traveling
on such charter flights

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unless detainees
are also on board.

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Dozens of immigrant prisoners
tested positive

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for COVID-19
after the transfer,

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and over 300 prisoners
became infected

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at the Farmville, Virginia,
ICE jail. One person died.

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The World Health Organization
has announced a record

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one-day rise in new coronavirus
cases around the world.

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Nearly 308,000 confirmed cases
were reported over the past day,

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with a total caseload
now topping 29 million

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and a death toll
topping 924,000.

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Israel is imposing
a three-week nationwide

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lockdown as cases
there continue to surge.

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Israel is the first country

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to reimpose
a second nationwide lockdown.

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Ninety U.N. peacekeepers
in southern

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Lebanon have tested positive
for the novel coronavirus.

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Meanwhile,
the U.N. refugee agency

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says it is stepping up
measures in Syrian refugee camps

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in Jordan after the first five
cases were confirmed last week.

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In France, which confirmed a
record 10,500 coronavirus cases

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on Saturday,

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police fired tear gas
at protesters in Paris

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as the "yellow vest"
demonstrations

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returned to the capital.

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In medical news,
Oxford and AstraZeneca

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are resuming their coronavirus
vaccine trial,

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after it was halted last week

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when a participant developed
severe neurological symptoms.

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The Brazilian state of Bahia

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says it will test
Russia’s coronavirus vaccine

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and plans to buy
50 million doses.

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A federal appeals court Friday

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blocked hundreds of thousands
of Floridians

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with fees and fines
from past felony convictions

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from registering to vote.

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The ruling comes
less than two months

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before the November election
in a major swing state

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where those votes
could tip the outcome.

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Florida voters overwhelmingly
supported Amendment 4,

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which reenfranchised people
with felony convictions,

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in a 2018 ballot measure.

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Nicole D. Porter of
The Sentencing Project said,

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"The ruling undermines
democracy.

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Efforts to disenfranchise
citizens with felony conviction

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histories intentionally
minimizes the Black electorate."

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In other election news,
the Wisconsin Supreme Court

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temporarily blocked
absentee ballots

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from being mailed last week,
one week before the deadline,

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while the court decides
whether to add

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the Green Party’s
candidate to the ballot.

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Meanwhile, in Pennsylvania,

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election officials are not able
to send out ballots

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due to a slew of lawsuits
and other issues.

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President Trump is defending
the fatal police

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shooting of Portland
anti-fascist activist

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Michael Reinoehl
as "retribution,"

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after he was accused of killing
a far-right Trump supporter.

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Trump’s remarks to Fox News
came after a witness

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said Reinoehl
did not appear to have a gun

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and was not
threatening officers,

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who never announced themselves

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or gave commands
before killing him

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in a hail of gunfire
on September 3.

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President Donald Trump:

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"This guy was
a violent criminal."

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Jeanine Pirro:
"A lot of them out there."

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President Donald Trump:

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"And the U.S. Marshals
killed him.

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And I will tell you something:
That’s the way it has to be.

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There has to be retribution."

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Democratic Senator
Brian Schatz of Hawaii

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called out his Republican
colleagues for refusing

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to condemn Trump’s remarks.

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He tweeted,
"Extrajudicial killings

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are something
many Republican U.S. Senators

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oppose if they happen
outside of the United States.

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But they won’t say
anything about this."

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Israeli Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu

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is in Washington,
D.C.,

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today ahead of Tuesday’s
White House ceremony,

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where he will sign
the U.S.-brokered normalization

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deals between Israel

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and the United Arab
Emirates and Bahrain.

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Palestinians protested
over the weekend

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following the announcement
of the deal with Bahrain Friday,

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just weeks after it
was announced Israel and the UAE

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would establish
diplomatic relations.

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This is Saeb Erekat,
the secretary general

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of the Palestine
Liberation Organization.

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Saeb Erekat:

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"The Bahrain-American-Israeli
agreement to normalize relations

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is now part of a bigger
package in the region.

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It’s not about peace.

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It’s not about relations
between countries.

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We are witnessing an alliance,
a military alliance,

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being created in the region.

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Maybe they want to call it
an Arab-Israel-NATO."

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Analysts have pointed
to a clause in the accords

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that leaves the door open
to allowing Jewish prayer

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at the holy mosque of Al-Aqsa,
which is now forbidden,

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and could be seen
as a major act of aggression.

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The long-anticipated
intra-Afghan

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talks officially launched
in Doha Saturday.

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Members of the Afghan government

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and the Taliban will meet
after months of delays

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and derailed peace
talks as violent attacks

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have continued to plague
the war-torn nation.

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The two sides will have
to reach an agreement

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on major issues
including women’s rights,

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civil liberties,
democracy and security.

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In Spain, a former
Salvadoran Army colonel

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was convicted Friday
for the 1989 murder of five

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Jesuit priests.
Inocente Orlando Montano

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served as El Salvador’s
security minister.

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He was sentenced to 133 years

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for ordering the attack
that was carried out

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by a U.S-trained
counterinsurgency force.

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Montano lived in
the United States for 16 years,

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was extradited
to Madrid in 2017.

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The death squad killed
six Jesuit priests,

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their housekeeper
and her daughter,

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but five of the Jesuit priests
were from Spain.

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It was their murder
that he was convicted of.

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In Peru, lawmakers have opened
impeachment proceedings

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against President
Martín Vizcarra,

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who is accused of trying
to obstruct an investigation

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into the allocation
of government contracts

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to a relatively
unknown singer.

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Lawmakers say President Vizcarra
may have intervened to award

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the singer the contracts
for motivational talks.

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This comes as Peru is grappling
with a major economic crisis

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and one of the world’s
worst COVID-19 outbreaks,

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ranking fifth
in confirmed cases

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despite a population
of just 32 million.

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In Pakistan, outrage is mounting
after two violent rapes

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that took place
over recent days.

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One was of a 5-year-old girl
who was kidnapped,

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raped and set on fire
in Karachi.

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The other involved a woman
who was gang-raped

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in front of her children
after her car broke down.

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The Lahore police chief
blamed the woman

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for traveling at night
without a male companion

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and not making sure
she had enough gas in her car.

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This is human rights activist
Tahira Abdullah

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speaking at a protest
in Islamabad Saturday.

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Tahira Abdullah:

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"A woman gets gang-raped
in front of her children,

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in a big metropolitan
city of Lahore,

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and the chief police officer
blames her instead

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and says she shouldn’t be out
on the road at night,

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she shouldn’t be driving alone,
she should have taken this road,

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not that road, etc., etc.
I think it is a shame."

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In the Democratic Republic
of Congo,

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at least 50 people have died
after heavy rains

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caused a gold mine to collapse
in South Kivu province.

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Deadly accidents
are not uncommon

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in the mostly
unregulated artisanal mines.

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In addition to gold,

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Congo also produces 60%
of the world’s cobalt,

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used in cellphones
and other electronic devices.

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A sheriff’s deputy in Georgia
has been fired

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after being filmed beating
a Black man, Roderick Walker,

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during a traffic stop
near Atlanta

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in front of his two children.

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He was a passenger
in a ride-share.

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Two deputies can be seen
on top of Walker,

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with one punching him
repeatedly.

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In Compton, Los Angeles,
two L.A.

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sheriff’s deputies were shot
by an unidentified gunman

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who walked up
to their parked car,

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opened fire and ran away.

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Both officers survived
and are out of surgery.

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In August, Compton Mayor Aja
Brown said of the deputies,

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"They terrorize the community

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and then they cover
their tracks.

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It is unacceptable,
we will not take this."

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Mayor Brown, who is Black,
was herself pulled over

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by sheriff’s deputies
last year and searched,

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despite doing
nothing wrong.

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Meanwhile, KPCC reporter
Josie Huang,

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who was covering the shooting
and protests in response,

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was tackled
and arrested by deputies,

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who pinned her face-down
into the pavement.

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Congress is launching
an investigation

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after a series of deaths
at the Fort Hood

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military base in Texas.

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Nearly 30 soldiers have died
so far this year,

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including Vanessa Guillén,

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who was sexually harassed
before she was murdered.

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The main suspect
in her case died by suicide.

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Two soldiers from Navajo Nation

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have also died
at Fort Hood this year.

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In Texas, hundreds of Trump
supporters

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drove through the city
of Laredo on Saturday

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in support of
the U.S.-Mexico border wall.

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The "Trump train" demonstration
was partly organized

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by the National
Border Patrol Council,

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which planned to drive over
a giant street mural reading

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"Defund the Wall.
Fund Our Futures."

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They canceled those plans
after veterans of the U.S.

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military mobilized to repaint
and defend the mural.

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In Charlottesville, Virginia,
a crowd cheered Saturday morning

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as workers took down a statue
of a Confederate soldier

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near the site
of the deadly,

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white supremacist
"Unite the Right" rally in 2017.

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Virginia’s Supreme Court
will decide the fate

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of two other Confederate
statues in Charlottesville —

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of Generals Robert E.
Lee and Thomas "Stonewall"

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Jackson — after defenders
of the Confederacy

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successfully blocked the city
from removing them.

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Portland, Oregon, has become
the first U.S. city

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to ban the corporate use of
facial recognition surveillance.

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The ban will bar public agencies
and private businesses

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from using the technology
in public spaces.

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Facial recognition has been
found to reflect racist biases

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and violate basic freedoms.

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Oracle has won its bid
to acquire U.S. operations

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for the popular
video-sharing app TikTok,

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beating out Microsoft.
Trump moved to ban TikTok,

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which is owned by
the Chinese company ByteDance,

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unless it was sold
to a U.S. company

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by tomorrow, September 15.

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The deal must still undergo
a White House review.

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In sports news, tennis superstar
Naomi Osaka won the U.S.

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Open Saturday,
her third Grand Slam title.

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During the tournament, Osaka —
who has a Japanese mother

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and a Haitian American father —

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donned seven masks,
each bearing the name

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of a Black person
who was killed: Breonna Taylor,

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Elijah McClain, Ahmaud
Arbery, Trayvon Martin,

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George Floyd, Philando Castile
and Tamir Rice.

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This is Naomi Osaka
speaking to ESPN’s Tom Rinaldi.

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Tom Rinaldi:

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"What was the message
you wanted to send, Naomi?"

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Naomi Osaka: "Well, 'What was
the message that you got?'

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was more the question.

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I feel like the point is to make
people start talking."

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And those are some of the
headlines this is Democracy

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Now, Democracynow.org,
the War and Peace Report.

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I’m Amy Goodman.

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AMY GOODMAN: California, Oregon
and Washington

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continue to face
a climate apocalypse

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as devastating fires
burn across the West Coast.

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At least 35 people have died,

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but the death toll
is expected to be far higher.

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Oregon says it’s bracing for a,
quote, "mass fatality event."

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Entire towns
have been destroyed.

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Nearly 5 million acres
have already burned.

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Parts of the West Coast

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now have some of the worst
air quality in the world.

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President Trump is visiting
California today

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but refuses to link the fires
to the climate crisis.

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California Governor Gavin Newsom

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says there’s no question
about the climate crisis.

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GOV. GAVIN NEWSOM: The debate is
over around climate change.

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Just come to the state
of California.

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Observe it with your own eyes.
It’s not an intellectual debate.

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It’s not even debatable
any longer,

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what we are experiencing —

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the extreme droughts,
the extreme atmospheric rivers,

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the extreme heat. Just think.
In the last few weeks alone,

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we’ve experienced the hottest
August in California history.

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We had 14,000 dry lightning
strikes over a three-day period.

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We’re experiencing temperatures,

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world record-breaking
temperatures,

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in the state of California,
130 degrees.

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AMY GOODMAN: Some of the most
vulnerable people

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on the West Coast

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have been farmworkers,
many of whom are undocumented.

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First came the pandemic,
now the climate-fueled fires.

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Despite the risks, many feel
they have to keep working,

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even if that means
working inside evacuation zones.

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Authorities in California
have repeatedly allowed growers

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to continue harvesting
despite evacuation orders,

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putting workers at great risk.

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The Intercept reports
agricultural commissioners

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in California’s wine regions

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have worked closely with
the Sonoma County Farm Bureau

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and Sonoma County Winegrowers
to repeatedly grant permission

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to grape growers to harvest
in wildfire evacuation zones.

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The issue is not new.

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In 2017, the Sonoma County
Agricultural Commission

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issued evacuation zone entry
permits to 280 groups of people

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to conduct, quote,
"critical functions."

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The Intercept reports
such critical functions

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included, quote,

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"harvesting, feeding
and watering livestock,

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managing fermentations,
and irrigating nursery crops,"

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unquote.

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Farmworkers have also been
disproportionately hit

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by the pandemic.

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Gervacio Peña López
is a former farmworker

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who now serves as
the executive director

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of the Cultural Movement
of Indigenous Alliance.

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GERVACIO PEÑA LÓPEZ: 
[translated]

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From the beginning
of the pandemic,

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there was the recommendation to
stay home and protect yourself.

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But for our immigrant community,
that was not a viable option.

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How are you going to survive —
at the time, we thought,

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for the next two or three weeks,
now it’s been half a year —

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without an income and without
support from the government?

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This was almost impossible.

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AMY GOODMAN: We’ll hear more
from Gervacio Peña López.

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But first we’re joined
by Estella Cisneros,

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the agriculture worker program
legal director

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at California Rural [Legal]
Assistance.

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She joins us
from Fresno, California.

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Estella,
welcome to Democracy Now!

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It’s great to have you
with us,

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although under these
extremely dire circumstances.

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Can you explain what farmworkers
are facing right now?

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So many in California who are
not being forced to evacuate

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are staying in their homes,
if at all possible,

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because the horrendous air
quality conditions

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from the fires,
this on top of COVID-19.

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But what about
the farmworkers?

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ESTELLA CISNEROS: Thank you,
Amy. Such a pleasure to be here.

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Right now farmworkers
are facing a triple threat.

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They are facing the dangers
of COVID-19, wildfire smoke,

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as well as
an unprecedented heat wave.

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Farmworkers, as many already
know, are essential workers.

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They have continued working
throughout this entire pandemic.

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Agricultural workers include
those who work in the fields,

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but also those
who work in dairies,

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as well as meat processing and
other food processing locations,

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as well as people who work
in packing houses and nurseries.

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Now, farmworkers have continued
to work during this whole time

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despite fears of contracting
COVID-19 in the workplace,

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despite fears of getting heat
stress while they’re at work,

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and now despite fears
of the dangers

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that wildfire smoke brings.

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Now, the reason wildfire smoke
is so dangerous,

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not just for farmworkers,
but anybody who inhales it,

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is because smoke tends
to have particulate matter

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which is 2.5 [micrometers]
or smaller.

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Now, the inhalation of what’s
called particulate matter

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2.5 or smaller is very,
very dangerous for one’s health.

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It can lead
to long-term both lung,

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heart and respiratory
illnesses.

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So, the fact that farmworkers
are out

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there working in the fields,
facing the dangers of COVID-19,

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as well as the dangers of heat
stress and wildfire smoke,

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is a very, very dire situation
right now in California.

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AMY GOODMAN: I want to turn
to go back

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to former farmworker Gervacio

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Peña López,
now executive director

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of the Cultural Movement
of Indigenous Alliance,

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describing to Democracy Now!
the dangerous working conditions

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that undocumented
farmworkers face

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as they’re forced to work
in the vineyards

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of Sonoma County
amidst the wildfires.

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GERVACIO PEÑA LÓPEZ: 
[translated]

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The situation with the smoke,

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because we have
experienced this before,

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it is already known
that employers,

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if they are conscious,

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they should provide N-95 masks
to protect their workers,

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which is the only thing that
filters the toxic particles.

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But working in the fields,
everything moves very fast.

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Sometimes the workers themselves
do not want to bring masks

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because they cannot
breathe well.

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They have to move
at a very fast pace

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because the promise is that
they are paid

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for the work they produce.

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The typical amount of product
to harvest in one day

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or one night is like
two tons of grapes.

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So they receive two payments,
or two minimum wages,

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but it is because
they have to earn it.

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AMY GOODMAN: So, Estella,
if you can explain further:

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Are the farmers, are the owners
of, for example, the vineyards —

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are they forcing workers
to work?

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Do they lose their jobs
if they don’t?

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And also, what kind of access
do they have to masks?

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ESTELLA CISNEROS: So,
unfortunately,

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there are a lot of farmworkers

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who face the very real risk
of losing their jobs

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if they either speak up about
unsafe working conditions

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or if they refuse to work,
before being provided,

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in this case,
an N-95 respirator.

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We have had
a lot of cases of workers

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who have faced retaliation

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after they have spoken up in the
workplace about their rights,

00:22:49.520 --> 00:22:52.570
and so there is a very,
very real danger

00:22:52.570 --> 00:22:55.050
of losing your job
if you speak up.

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Now, there’s that aspect
of things,

00:22:57.370 --> 00:23:02.000
but there’s also the unspoken
aspect of working in a workplace

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where N-95 respirators
are not provided to you.

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Even if an employer
doesn’t tell you,

00:23:07.610 --> 00:23:10.060
"You will be fired
if you stop working,"

00:23:10.060 --> 00:23:14.320
what kind of message are workers
getting when employers are not

00:23:14.320 --> 00:23:18.520
affirmatively following
their duty in California,

00:23:18.520 --> 00:23:23.690
which is to address workplace
health and safety hazards?

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What kind of message
are employers

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sending it
they are not proactively,

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as the law requires them to do,
providing the training,

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as well as the equipment
and the materials,

00:23:33.820 --> 00:23:35.320
the personal
protective equipment

00:23:35.320 --> 00:23:37.430
that people need to access?

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Now, when it comes to
whether farmworkers

00:23:41.980 --> 00:23:45.320
are having access
to N-95 masks,

00:23:45.320 --> 00:23:48.730
unfortunately, the reports that
we’re hearing out in the fields

00:23:48.730 --> 00:23:50.890
is that hardly any farmworker

00:23:50.890 --> 00:23:53.300
is getting access
to N-95 respirators,

00:23:53.300 --> 00:23:56.490
which is really the only thing
that is going to keep them safe

00:23:56.490 --> 00:23:58.260
from particulate matter
inhalation.

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AMY GOODMAN: And I want to talk
about the people

00:24:01.050 --> 00:24:03.420
that are coming out
to the fields, even more so,

00:24:03.420 --> 00:24:07.630
and start with the former
farmworker Gervacio Peña López.

00:24:07.630 --> 00:24:09.210
This is what he said,

00:24:09.210 --> 00:24:12.070
when you were talking
about the triple threat.

00:24:12.070 --> 00:24:15.770
GERVACIO PEÑA LÓPEZ: 
[translated]

00:24:15.770 --> 00:24:17.870
Due to the COVID-19 pandemic,

00:24:17.870 --> 00:24:21.090
many people were left without
work in other industries,

00:24:21.090 --> 00:24:24.730
such as hotels,
restaurants or factories.

00:24:24.730 --> 00:24:26.590
So, many people
in our community,

00:24:26.590 --> 00:24:28.570
because they have the necessity,

00:24:28.570 --> 00:24:31.420
and others because
they do not have documents

00:24:31.420 --> 00:24:33.990
and do not receive aid
from the local or state

00:24:33.990 --> 00:24:35.430
or federal government,

00:24:35.430 --> 00:24:38.380
they have no other option
but to go to work in the fields.

00:24:38.380 --> 00:24:40.370
And many of them
do not know the risks.

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AMY GOODMAN: So,
Estella Cisneros,

00:24:42.550 --> 00:24:46.440
can you talk about who are
the farmworkers in the fields,

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and tell us further
where they’re coming from?

00:24:50.180 --> 00:24:51.470
ESTELLA CISNEROS: Certainly.

00:24:51.470 --> 00:24:54.990
So, farmworkers in the state
of California,

00:24:54.990 --> 00:24:59.580
and certainly across the nation,
tend to be immigrants.

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They tend to be undocumented.

00:25:02.250 --> 00:25:06.720
And they tend to speak
a language other than English.

00:25:07.250 --> 00:25:11.520
So, a lot of farmworkers
have a very similar situation

00:25:11.520 --> 00:25:14.200
to what the gentleman
was describing,

00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:19.010
in the sense that they were
working in another industry,

00:25:19.010 --> 00:25:20.650
they’ve been displaced
from that industry,

00:25:20.650 --> 00:25:23.000
and they’ve translated
that skill set

00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:24.410
to working in the fields.

00:25:24.410 --> 00:25:28.190
However, there are a very large
number of farmworkers

00:25:28.190 --> 00:25:31.030
who are essentially
lifelong agricultural workers,

00:25:31.030 --> 00:25:34.350
and so they have been working in
the fields for many, many years.

00:25:34.350 --> 00:25:36.350
And that’s certainly
the population

00:25:36.350 --> 00:25:40.370
that is still active
in the fields today.

00:25:41.650 --> 00:25:44.090
AMY GOODMAN: How much do
farmworkers get paid?

00:25:44.600 --> 00:25:48.160
And what about
during this horrific period?

00:25:50.100 --> 00:25:52.250
ESTELLA CISNEROS: The state
minimum wage in California,

00:25:52.250 --> 00:25:54.190
which is one of the highest,

00:25:54.190 --> 00:25:58.300
if not the highest,
currently is $13 an hour,

00:25:58.300 --> 00:26:01.520
if you have 26
or more employees,

00:26:01.520 --> 00:26:05.910
but it’s $12 an hour if you have
25 or fewer employees.

00:26:05.910 --> 00:26:07.310
Now, eventually,
that minimum wage

00:26:07.310 --> 00:26:09.130
is going to increase to $15,

00:26:09.130 --> 00:26:11.029
but we’re still
a couple of years off.

00:26:12.010 --> 00:26:16.410
Farm work tends to be one
of the lowest-paid industries

00:26:16.410 --> 00:26:18.690
in the United States.

00:26:18.690 --> 00:26:21.370
And so,
even when workers are paid

00:26:21.370 --> 00:26:23.140
by what’s called piece rate,

00:26:23.140 --> 00:26:26.130
which is when you’re paid
by the bucket or the pound,

00:26:26.130 --> 00:26:27.830
something other than
by the hour,

00:26:29.370 --> 00:26:33.930
farmworkers still have
very low wages.

00:26:33.930 --> 00:26:36.770
And actually, the fact
that you’re paid by piece rate

00:26:36.770 --> 00:26:39.710
is actually a disincentive
in terms of slowing down,

00:26:39.710 --> 00:26:42.110
in terms of taking health
and safety breaks,

00:26:42.790 --> 00:26:46.360
because the more that you work,
the more that you get paid.

00:26:46.360 --> 00:26:48.580
And so, you either have workers

00:26:48.580 --> 00:26:50.420
who are being paid
the minimum wage,

00:26:51.150 --> 00:26:53.199
which is not enough,
nowhere near enough,

00:26:53.830 --> 00:26:56.350
or you have workers
who are paid by piece rate,

00:26:56.350 --> 00:26:59.560
which actually
is a disincentive,

00:26:59.560 --> 00:27:03.970
to continue to work more and
work through all the rest breaks

00:27:03.970 --> 00:27:06.330
and lunch breaks that are more
legally required,

00:27:06.330 --> 00:27:09.940
as well as work through
the pandemic and wildfires

00:27:09.940 --> 00:27:11.640
and the heat.

00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:15.880
AMY GOODMAN: And what
kind of benefits

00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:17.900
do they get
from the government,

00:27:17.900 --> 00:27:21.800
dealing with this period
of the pandemic and the fires?

00:27:23.600 --> 00:27:26.010
ESTELLA CISNEROS: If a worker
has legal status,

00:27:26.010 --> 00:27:28.450
which a lot
of farmworkers don’t,

00:27:28.450 --> 00:27:31.090
they may have access
to the state’s unemployment

00:27:31.090 --> 00:27:33.770
insurance program,
as well as, you know,

00:27:33.770 --> 00:27:36.650
a variety of other
public assistance programs.

00:27:36.650 --> 00:27:40.190
However, such a large percentage
of the farmworker population

00:27:40.190 --> 00:27:41.630
is undocumented.

00:27:41.630 --> 00:27:44.140
They really don’t have
any other recourse

00:27:45.060 --> 00:27:46.760
in terms of
income replacement.

00:27:47.510 --> 00:27:49.760
They are really
struggling right now,

00:27:49.760 --> 00:27:51.050
if they are displaced,

00:27:51.050 --> 00:27:53.910
either by the fires
or by the wildfire smoke,

00:27:53.910 --> 00:27:57.570
because they don’t have access
to the safety nets that citizens

00:27:57.570 --> 00:27:59.540
and residents
of the United States do —

00:27:59.540 --> 00:28:00.800
AMY GOODMAN: And what kind of —

00:28:00.800 --> 00:28:02.030
ESTELLA CISNEROS: —
including the —

00:28:02.030 --> 00:28:03.760
AMY GOODMAN: Go ahead.

00:28:03.760 --> 00:28:05.600
ESTELLA CISNEROS: — including
stimulus payments,

00:28:05.600 --> 00:28:08.280
as well as unemployment
insurance payments.

00:28:08.280 --> 00:28:10.190
AMY GOODMAN: And what kind of —

00:28:10.190 --> 00:28:12.920
and what languages
are instructions given in?

00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:14.850
Are people getting
accurate information

00:28:14.850 --> 00:28:16.130
about what’s happening,

00:28:16.130 --> 00:28:19.070
from COVID to
the climate catastrophe?

00:28:20.950 --> 00:28:23.340
ESTELLA CISNEROS: Unfortunately,
we have heard reports

00:28:23.340 --> 00:28:26.700
of either employers or other
individuals in the community

00:28:26.700 --> 00:28:29.620
giving incorrect
information about COVID.

00:28:30.910 --> 00:28:34.170
So that’s one issue.
We anticipate that there may —

00:28:34.170 --> 00:28:39.370
that that may also exist for
information about heat stress,

00:28:39.370 --> 00:28:41.070
as well as
the wildfire smoke.

00:28:41.910 --> 00:28:45.120
I mean, even the information
that’s provided by state

00:28:45.120 --> 00:28:47.380
and government
and other governmental agencies,

00:28:47.380 --> 00:28:49.580
unfortunately,
is not provided in Spanish.

00:28:50.130 --> 00:28:53.210
Just this morning —
or, last night, I should say,

00:28:53.210 --> 00:28:55.380
I looked on the CAL
FIRE website,

00:28:55.380 --> 00:28:56.710
as well as the website

00:28:56.710 --> 00:28:59.160
for the Fresno
County Sheriff’s Department,

00:29:00.300 --> 00:29:01.590
which are the two agencies

00:29:01.590 --> 00:29:04.160
that are giving information
on the wildfires,

00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:08.150
as well as evacuation zones,
as well as evacuation orders.

00:29:09.220 --> 00:29:11.700
Neither of those
are available in Spanish.

00:29:11.700 --> 00:29:12.910
That’s one issue.

00:29:12.910 --> 00:29:14.120
The other issue, of course,

00:29:14.120 --> 00:29:17.020
is that a lot of farmworkers
don’t speak Spanish;

00:29:17.020 --> 00:29:20.050
they speak Native
Mexican Indigenous languages,

00:29:20.050 --> 00:29:23.020
such as Mixteco,
Trique, Zapoteco.

00:29:23.020 --> 00:29:26.790
And these communities are facing
even a greater challenge

00:29:26.790 --> 00:29:30.960
to the very critical
and necessary information

00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:32.980
that they need in order
to keep themselves

00:29:32.980 --> 00:29:34.850
and their families safe.

00:29:34.850 --> 00:29:36.370
AMY GOODMAN: Finally,
Estella Cisneros,

00:29:36.370 --> 00:29:38.320
we quoted The Intercept
at the top,

00:29:38.320 --> 00:29:41.840
which has an article saying
"In California’s Wine Country,

00:29:41.840 --> 00:29:44.890
Undocumented Grape Pickers
Forced to Work in Fire

00:29:44.890 --> 00:29:47.860
Evacuation Zones,"
the article stating, quote,

00:29:47.860 --> 00:29:51.210
"Officials that regulate
evacuation order exemptions

00:29:51.210 --> 00:29:54.750
have close relationships
to agricultural associations

00:29:54.750 --> 00:29:57.680
that serve local business
owners’ interests."

00:29:57.680 --> 00:29:59.729
Your response,
and what needs to be done?

00:30:02.600 --> 00:30:04.800
ESTELLA CISNEROS: So, while I
don’t have personal information

00:30:04.800 --> 00:30:08.060
about the facts that are cited
in that article, unfortunately,

00:30:08.060 --> 00:30:11.580
it has been a common occurrence
in our experience

00:30:11.580 --> 00:30:14.540
that the safety of farmworkers
is not prioritized

00:30:14.540 --> 00:30:16.320
and is actually sacrificed
in the name

00:30:16.320 --> 00:30:18.450
of profit
and business interests.

00:30:18.450 --> 00:30:22.670
Certainly, the reasons
that those permits were given —

00:30:23.350 --> 00:30:26.880
taking care of livestock,
picking fruits and vegetables —

00:30:27.760 --> 00:30:33.070
to a farmworker, the fact
that some people may believe

00:30:33.070 --> 00:30:34.770
that that’s essential — right?

00:30:35.390 --> 00:30:37.980
— is very difficult
to comprehend,

00:30:37.980 --> 00:30:40.350
when their literal
health and safety,

00:30:40.350 --> 00:30:43.780
as well as that of their
families, is being compromised.

00:30:44.590 --> 00:30:47.700
The other part, of course,
is that even in areas

00:30:47.700 --> 00:30:49.740
where you are not
being evacuated,

00:30:50.570 --> 00:30:52.780
there is so much wildfire
smoke in the air

00:30:52.780 --> 00:30:54.260
that you have two
sets of workers

00:30:54.260 --> 00:30:55.460
that you’re worried about.

00:30:55.460 --> 00:30:59.420
One are the workers who are
working in evacuation zones,

00:30:59.420 --> 00:31:01.300
such as those cited
in that article,

00:31:01.300 --> 00:31:03.370
but then you also have

00:31:03.370 --> 00:31:05.080
a significant number
of farmworkers

00:31:05.080 --> 00:31:10.440
who continue to work
despite the air quality index

00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:13.880
being at hazardous levels.

00:31:14.710 --> 00:31:16.910
What we’re asking for is for,

00:31:16.910 --> 00:31:19.180
first of all, employers
to follow the law —

00:31:19.180 --> 00:31:23.030
there is a wildfire
smoke emergency regulation

00:31:23.030 --> 00:31:25.270
that is currently
in effect in California

00:31:25.270 --> 00:31:28.050
that requires employers
to provide workers

00:31:28.050 --> 00:31:34.680
with N-95 masks
or mask respirators —

00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:36.750
as well as take other measures
to ensure

00:31:36.750 --> 00:31:40.480
that if a worker
must work outside

00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:42.300
and they are exposed
to wildfire smoke,

00:31:42.300 --> 00:31:44.920
that they have
the correct equipment

00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:47.840
in order to protect them from
inhaling that harmful smoke,

00:31:48.430 --> 00:31:52.710
as well as the wide distribution
of N-95 masks —

00:31:52.710 --> 00:31:54.710
we have yet to speak
to a worker, actually,

00:31:54.710 --> 00:31:57.850
that has actually been provided
one by their employer —

00:31:58.540 --> 00:32:00.250
as well as robust

00:32:00.250 --> 00:32:03.620
and widespread enforcement
of current regulations.

00:32:03.620 --> 00:32:05.460
AMY GOODMAN: Estella Cisneros,
we want to thank you for being

00:32:05.460 --> 00:32:08.030
with us, agricultural
worker program legal director

00:32:08.030 --> 00:32:10.790
at the California
Rural Legal Assistance.

00:32:10.790 --> 00:32:13.420
When we come back,
we go to Oregon

00:32:13.420 --> 00:32:15.220
to speak with
a former firefighter,

00:32:15.220 --> 00:32:19.940
now wildland fire ecologist,
amidst the climate apocalypse.

00:32:19.940 --> 00:32:23.580
As devastating fires
burn across the West Coast,

00:32:23.580 --> 00:32:27.810
President Trump continues
to deny the climate crisis.

00:32:27.810 --> 00:32:29.110
Stay with us.

00:32:29.110 --> 00:33:19.300
[break]

00:33:19.300 --> 00:33:22.030
AMY GOODMAN: "Pressure Drop"
by Toots and the Maytals.

00:33:22.030 --> 00:33:24.920
Reggae pioneer Toots Hibbert
passed away

00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:27.160
at the age of 77 Friday.

00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:29.870
AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy
Now!, democracynow.org,

00:33:29.870 --> 00:33:32.330
The Quarantine Report.
I’m Amy Goodman.

00:33:32.330 --> 00:33:33.800
As California,

00:33:33.800 --> 00:33:37.730
Oregon and Washington
face unprecedented fires,

00:33:37.730 --> 00:33:41.250
President Trump is refusing
to link

00:33:41.250 --> 00:33:44.220
the devastation
to the climate crisis.

00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:46.420
After ignoring the fires
for a week,

00:33:46.420 --> 00:33:48.380
Trump is traveling
to California today.

00:33:48.380 --> 00:33:51.830
Over the weekend, he blamed the
fires on poor forest management.

00:33:51.830 --> 00:33:53.070
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: But,
you know,

00:33:53.070 --> 00:33:54.740
it is about forest management.

00:33:54.740 --> 00:33:58.460
Please remember the words,
very simple: forest management.

00:33:58.460 --> 00:34:02.840
Please remember.
It’s about forest management.

00:34:02.840 --> 00:34:05.110
AMY GOODMAN: California Governor
Newsom rejected

00:34:05.110 --> 00:34:07.990
Trump’s focus
on forest management practices.

00:34:08.900 --> 00:34:11.060
GOV. GAVIN NEWSOM: I’m a little
bit exhausted

00:34:12.040 --> 00:34:14.339
that we have to continue
to debate this issue.

00:34:14.970 --> 00:34:17.250
This is a climate
damn emergency. ...

00:34:17.250 --> 00:34:19.299
And I’m not going
to suggest for a second

00:34:19.970 --> 00:34:21.520
that the forest
management practices

00:34:21.520 --> 00:34:22.760
in the state of California

00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:26.170
over a century-plus
have been ideal,

00:34:26.950 --> 00:34:30.960
but that’s one point,
but it’s not the point.

00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:33.600
AMY GOODMAN: Los Angeles Mayor
Eric Garcetti also pushed back

00:34:33.600 --> 00:34:35.760
on Trump’s characterization
of the wildfires

00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:37.100
as a forest management issue.

00:34:37.100 --> 00:34:40.130
Speaking on CNN, Garcetti said
the president was reluctant

00:34:40.130 --> 00:34:41.950
to help California,
Oregon and Washington

00:34:41.950 --> 00:34:44.200
because they have
Democratic governors.

00:34:45.010 --> 00:34:46.690
MAYOR ERIC GARCETTI: This is
climate change.

00:34:46.690 --> 00:34:49.500
And this is an administration
that’s put its head in the sand.

00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:51.940
While we have Democratic
and Republican mayors

00:34:51.940 --> 00:34:54.470
across the country
stepping up to do their part,

00:34:54.470 --> 00:34:56.140
this is an administration,
a president,

00:34:56.140 --> 00:34:57.930
who wants to withdraw
from the Paris

00:34:57.930 --> 00:35:00.330
climate accords
later this year —

00:35:00.330 --> 00:35:02.850
the only country
in the world to do so.

00:35:03.430 --> 00:35:04.690
Talk to a firefighter

00:35:04.690 --> 00:35:06.860
if you think
that climate change isn’t real.

00:35:06.860 --> 00:35:08.540
And it seems like
this administration

00:35:08.540 --> 00:35:10.890
are the last vestiges
of the Flat Earth Society

00:35:10.890 --> 00:35:13.550
of this generation.
We need real action.

00:35:14.090 --> 00:35:15.300
AMY GOODMAN: In
Washington state,

00:35:15.300 --> 00:35:17.910
where firefighters are tackling
15 large fires,

00:35:17.910 --> 00:35:21.320
Governor Jay Inslee also
emphasized the climate crisis

00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.890
is most responsible
for the wildfires.

00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:27.020
GOV. JAY INSLEE: These are not
just wildfires.

00:35:27.020 --> 00:35:29.060
They are climate fires.

00:35:29.060 --> 00:35:33.450
And we cannot and we will not
surrender our state

00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:36.670
and expose people to have
their homes burned down

00:35:36.670 --> 00:35:39.300
and their lives lost
because of climate fires.

00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:40.550
AMY GOODMAN: Meanwhile,
in Oregon,

00:35:40.550 --> 00:35:43.250
six of the military helicopters

00:35:43.250 --> 00:35:45.220
operated by the state’s
National Guard,

00:35:45.220 --> 00:35:47.810
that could have been used
to help fight the wildfires,

00:35:47.810 --> 00:35:49.060
are not available

00:35:49.060 --> 00:35:52.040
because they were sent to
Afghanistan earlier this year.

00:35:52.040 --> 00:35:54.589
This is Oregon Governor
Kate Brown speaking Friday.

00:35:55.270 --> 00:35:57.940
GOV. KATE BROWN: Well over
a million acres of land

00:35:57.940 --> 00:36:02.140
has burned, which is
over 1,500 square miles.

00:36:03.590 --> 00:36:05.800
Right now our air quality ranks

00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:08.740
the worst in the world
due to these fires. ...

00:36:08.740 --> 00:36:13.030
There is no question
that the changing climate

00:36:13.030 --> 00:36:16.830
is exacerbating
what we see on the ground.

00:36:17.600 --> 00:36:20.080
We had, as we mentioned earlier,

00:36:20.080 --> 00:36:26.530
unprecedented, a weather event
with winds and temperatures.

00:36:26.530 --> 00:36:34.010
In addition, we added a ground
that has had a 30-year drought.

00:36:34.010 --> 00:36:38.040
So, it made for extremely
challenging circumstances

00:36:38.040 --> 00:36:41.380
and has certainly
exacerbated the situation.

00:36:42.010 --> 00:36:43.370
AMY GOODMAN: For more,
we go to Eugene, Oregon,

00:36:43.370 --> 00:36:45.290
where we’re joined
by Timothy Ingalsbee.

00:36:45.290 --> 00:36:49.950
He is a wildland fire ecologist,
former wildland firefighter,

00:36:49.950 --> 00:36:51.470
n ow director
of Firefighters

00:36:51.470 --> 00:36:54.950
United for Safety, Ethics,
and Ecology, known as FUSEE.

00:36:54.950 --> 00:36:56.800
Welcome to Democracy Now!, Tim.

00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.410
First, describe
the scene in Oregon.

00:37:00.810 --> 00:37:03.890
TIMOTHY INGALSBEE: Well, the
situation changes day by day,

00:37:03.890 --> 00:37:05.400
sometimes even by the hour.

00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:09.780
But this past week, we’ve had
over two dozen very large fires

00:37:09.780 --> 00:37:11.830
burning on the west side
of the Cascades.

00:37:12.430 --> 00:37:15.170
These have been
explosive rates of growth,

00:37:16.160 --> 00:37:19.170
tens of thousands of acres,
several miles per day.

00:37:19.710 --> 00:37:22.430
And it is natural for Oregon

00:37:22.430 --> 00:37:24.980
to have big fires high
in the mountains.

00:37:24.980 --> 00:37:28.990
What’s very freakish about these
is to have these fires

00:37:28.990 --> 00:37:32.070
coming down from the mountains,
barreling down our valleys,

00:37:32.070 --> 00:37:33.970
marching right up
to the doorsteps

00:37:33.970 --> 00:37:37.570
of major metropolitan areas
like Portland and Eugene.

00:37:38.590 --> 00:37:43.130
So, it’s even beyond
those people

00:37:43.130 --> 00:37:44.440
within the reach of flames;

00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.350
the whole region
is under a pall of smoke.

00:37:47.350 --> 00:37:49.300
It’s literally
blotting out the sun,

00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.100
from British Columbia to Baja.

00:37:53.270 --> 00:37:56.220
As you noted, we had some of
the world’s worst air quality.

00:37:56.730 --> 00:37:59.950
And interestingly,
this dense pall of smoke

00:37:59.950 --> 00:38:04.450
has largely grounded the fleet
of helicopters and air tankers

00:38:04.450 --> 00:38:06.950
that would normally be working
on these wildfires.

00:38:08.100 --> 00:38:10.860
AMY GOODMAN: President Trump
refuses,

00:38:10.860 --> 00:38:12.980
even being in Reno, Nevada,

00:38:12.980 --> 00:38:16.110
to make the connection
to the climate crisis.

00:38:16.110 --> 00:38:19.040
He said this is linked
to two words:

00:38:19.690 --> 00:38:21.020
"forest management."

00:38:21.020 --> 00:38:23.290
Talk about the link
to the climate crisis

00:38:23.290 --> 00:38:25.020
and what we’re seeing
throughout the West.

00:38:25.020 --> 00:38:27.250
And these fires
are going way beyond.

00:38:27.250 --> 00:38:29.770
I mean, they’re in Montana,
they’re in Colorado,

00:38:29.770 --> 00:38:32.630
as well as Oregon,
Washington and California,

00:38:32.630 --> 00:38:34.330
that they’re devastating.

00:38:35.530 --> 00:38:38.420
TIMOTHY INGALSBEE: Well,
these are climate fires.

00:38:38.420 --> 00:38:44.660
And they’re the product
of extreme heat waves

00:38:44.660 --> 00:38:49.180
and prolonged droughts
and then very low humidities.

00:38:49.770 --> 00:38:54.080
What’s really rare about this,
this event here in Oregon,

00:38:54.080 --> 00:38:56.960
is there was a regionwide
east wind event.

00:38:57.820 --> 00:39:00.800
The winds came screaming
from the deserts

00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.650
on the east side
of the mountains up over,

00:39:03.650 --> 00:39:08.290
barreled down these valleys
and just propelled these flames.

00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:13.860
And though some scientists
hesitate to attribute

00:39:13.860 --> 00:39:15.800
a single event
to climate change,

00:39:16.490 --> 00:39:21.620
these are exactly the conditions
predicted by climatologists.

00:39:21.620 --> 00:39:25.010
And where once they were rare —
I mean, they’re not entirely

00:39:25.010 --> 00:39:28.090
unprecedented
in our prehistoric past —

00:39:28.740 --> 00:39:32.570
they will become much more
frequent in the days ahead.

00:39:32.570 --> 00:39:37.650
So, just the combination of heat
and dryness and winds

00:39:37.650 --> 00:39:43.380
and lightning storms are
making these fires explosive.

00:39:44.680 --> 00:39:47.620
AMY GOODMAN: What about the fact
that six helicopters

00:39:47.620 --> 00:39:49.700
that are supposed
to be fighting Oregon’s —

00:39:49.700 --> 00:39:53.600
that could be used to fight
the wildfires

00:39:53.600 --> 00:39:56.460
are in Oregon —
are in Afghanistan?

00:39:57.900 --> 00:40:00.500
TIMOTHY INGALSBEE: Yeah. Well,
I guess we’re fighting one war

00:40:00.500 --> 00:40:02.290
or the other
all across the planet.

00:40:02.290 --> 00:40:04.940
But in addition to that,

00:40:04.940 --> 00:40:08.010
there’s been
several firefighters and engines

00:40:08.010 --> 00:40:10.480
and other crews from Oregon

00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.830
that have been in California
or Colorado for weeks.

00:40:13.830 --> 00:40:17.260
So, I mean, it’s really
a West-wide phenomenon,

00:40:18.010 --> 00:40:20.820
another indication
of climate change.

00:40:21.860 --> 00:40:24.220
Trump isn’t entirely wrong about
forest management

00:40:24.220 --> 00:40:25.480
playing a role,

00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:28.250
because in addition
to these fires

00:40:28.250 --> 00:40:31.350
being propelled by these hot,
dry winds,

00:40:31.350 --> 00:40:38.730
they’re also raging through
the industrial tree farms

00:40:38.730 --> 00:40:41.780
that were clear-cut in the 1970s
and '80s,

00:40:41.780 --> 00:40:45.450
covered over with densely
stocked young trees.

00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:49.330
And where, you know,
for an old-growth forest

00:40:49.330 --> 00:40:50.920
it takes a very rare,

00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:55.460
very high-intensity fire
to kill those trees,

00:40:55.460 --> 00:40:58.440
it doesn't take much
for these tree farms

00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.240
to just be incinerated.

00:41:00.240 --> 00:41:03.770
And what will be seen here
in the Oregon landscape

00:41:03.770 --> 00:41:06.410
is kind of time
going in reverse,

00:41:07.150 --> 00:41:12.330
the green veneer of tree farms
that are being stripped off,

00:41:12.330 --> 00:41:15.790
and we’ll just see these
proverbial moonscapes of barren,

00:41:15.790 --> 00:41:19.100
ash-covered slopes as these
tree farms are incinerated.

00:41:19.100 --> 00:41:22.560
That’s what’s burning
in the Holiday Farm market —

00:41:22.560 --> 00:41:25.290
Holiday Farm
Fire outside my town.

00:41:26.940 --> 00:41:30.520
AMY GOODMAN: So, can you talk
about your experience

00:41:30.520 --> 00:41:31.770
as a firefighter,

00:41:31.770 --> 00:41:34.290
and what you think needs
to happen right now?

00:41:34.290 --> 00:41:36.000
Now, we had heard
that something like

00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:41.170
10% of the population of Oregon
was under evacuation orders,

00:41:41.170 --> 00:41:44.040
but that was taken back.
What is happening?

00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:47.470
TIMOTHY INGALSBEE: Well, again,
it’s very chaotic.

00:41:47.470 --> 00:41:52.590
When these fires erupted,
in some cases, you know,

00:41:52.590 --> 00:41:55.910
the wind event
blew down power lines

00:41:55.910 --> 00:41:58.920
in the dark of night
right on the edge of towns,

00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:01.940
and so people
had almost no warning,

00:42:02.450 --> 00:42:06.580
and flames
lapping at their walls,

00:42:06.580 --> 00:42:08.430
and they had to flee
for their lives.

00:42:09.680 --> 00:42:11.210
The first crews to arrive

00:42:11.210 --> 00:42:13.550
there were not even able
to engage the fire.

00:42:13.550 --> 00:42:16.350
They had to help people
evacuate.

00:42:16.350 --> 00:42:19.080
So, it wasn’t for a couple days

00:42:19.080 --> 00:42:22.250
that firefighters were actually
able to fight the fire.

00:42:22.250 --> 00:42:24.620
They were being more
like traffic control cops.

00:42:24.620 --> 00:42:27.900
So, we were really short-handed.

00:42:29.110 --> 00:42:32.370
A very important point, though,
is, no amount of firefighters,

00:42:32.370 --> 00:42:34.130
engines, air tankers,
or whatever,

00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.800
will be able to handle phenomena
like this.

00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.220
This is a climate-driven
wildfire.

00:42:40.890 --> 00:42:43.740
Nature is far more
powerful than us.

00:42:43.740 --> 00:42:45.360
And so,

00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:49.360
unless and until we get a handle
on our fossil fuel emissions,

00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:52.960
there’s nothing we can do that
will really prevent

00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:54.880
these kinds of events
from happening.

00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.200
And once happening,
very little that we can do,

00:42:57.200 --> 00:42:58.950
other than just get
out of the way.

00:42:59.950 --> 00:43:01.990
AMY GOODMAN: Tim Ingalsbee,

00:43:01.990 --> 00:43:04.770
if you can talk
about your daughter’s lawsuit?

00:43:04.770 --> 00:43:08.830
Last year, Democracy Now!
spoke to Kelsey, Kelsey Juliana,

00:43:08.830 --> 00:43:12.190
who was the lead plaintiff
in the landmark youth

00:43:12.190 --> 00:43:14.610
climate lawsuit
against the U.S. government.

00:43:15.310 --> 00:43:17.740
I started by asking her
about the lawsuit.

00:43:18.570 --> 00:43:20.540
KELSEY JULIANA: This lawsuit is
a constitutional climate

00:43:20.540 --> 00:43:21.780
change case

00:43:21.780 --> 00:43:23.440
against the U.S.
federal government,

00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:28.000
filed by 21 courageous
young individuals in 2015.

00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:31.630
At the time, the youngest was 8,
and the oldest, myself, was 19.

00:43:33.030 --> 00:43:36.690
This case looks at the actions
of the federal government

00:43:36.690 --> 00:43:38.600
for the past several decades

00:43:38.600 --> 00:43:41.430
of helping to perpetuate
the climate crisis

00:43:41.430 --> 00:43:43.770
by continuing to fund
the fossil fuel economy,

00:43:44.730 --> 00:43:46.850
endangering the lives
of all citizens,

00:43:46.850 --> 00:43:48.640
but especially
disproportionately harming

00:43:48.640 --> 00:43:51.950
the lives of young citizens
and future generations.

00:43:51.950 --> 00:43:55.280
AMY GOODMAN: So, that’s Kelsey
Juliana, Tim, your daughter.

00:43:55.850 --> 00:43:58.430
Explain this lawsuit
and what’s happened to it.

00:43:58.940 --> 00:44:00.310
TIMOTHY INGALSBEE: Well,
I’m very proud of my daughter

00:44:00.310 --> 00:44:01.510
and her peers,

00:44:01.510 --> 00:44:04.950
who are, you know, taking on
the federal government.

00:44:04.950 --> 00:44:07.270
An important point
for people to understand

00:44:07.270 --> 00:44:10.370
is it’s not the inaction
of the federal government

00:44:10.370 --> 00:44:12.420
that is
part of the climate crisis;

00:44:12.420 --> 00:44:14.220
it’s their deliberate actions,

00:44:14.220 --> 00:44:16.770
pushing more fossil
fuel extraction

00:44:16.770 --> 00:44:22.480
and burning, you know,
promoting the alteration

00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:24.940
of the planet’s atmosphere
and oceans.

00:44:25.810 --> 00:44:29.770
And so, this is
a constitutional-based case,

00:44:29.770 --> 00:44:32.180
that this is causing —

00:44:32.180 --> 00:44:35.090
the government is causing
my daughter’s generation

00:44:35.090 --> 00:44:37.740
and all future generations,
of all species,

00:44:37.740 --> 00:44:40.700
for that matter,
significant harm.

00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:46.940
And so, it’s been tied up
in court for years.

00:44:46.940 --> 00:44:50.350
My daughter was a young girl
when she started this case.

00:44:50.350 --> 00:44:51.760
Who knows when
it will be resolved?

00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:53.040
She may be a middle-aged woman.

00:44:53.040 --> 00:44:54.560
AMY GOODMAN: Started
under Obama, is that right?

00:44:54.560 --> 00:44:56.210
Now moved on to Trump.

00:44:56.210 --> 00:44:57.530
TIMOTHY INGALSBEE: That’s right,
because this has been,

00:44:57.530 --> 00:44:59.820
you know, both parties.

00:44:59.820 --> 00:45:02.570
All administrations,
for decades,

00:45:03.370 --> 00:45:07.400
have knowingly been
putting the planet in peril

00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:12.400
by promoting the fossil fuel
civilization, you might say.

00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:19.300
So, I’m hopeful that the case
will be resolved in our favor.

00:45:19.300 --> 00:45:23.120
But in the meantime,
these are big,

00:45:23.120 --> 00:45:27.830
big, huge problems,
dealing with climate change,

00:45:27.830 --> 00:45:29.460
dealing with rural sprawl.

00:45:29.460 --> 00:45:31.530
I mean, that’s what’s
making this a disaster.

00:45:31.530 --> 00:45:34.170
So many people are in
the pathway of these fires.

00:45:34.700 --> 00:45:38.550
And then the legacy
of clearcut logging,

00:45:38.550 --> 00:45:40.940
livestock grazing,
you know, mining,

00:45:40.940 --> 00:45:44.770
other things that have
really damaged the ecosystems,

00:45:44.770 --> 00:45:47.640
made them less resilient
to climate change. So —

00:45:47.640 --> 00:45:48.850
AMY GOODMAN: Timothy Ingalsbee,

00:45:48.850 --> 00:45:52.380
if you could talk about
wealthy people hiring —

00:45:52.380 --> 00:45:54.600
or, taking out
Cadillac insurance,

00:45:54.600 --> 00:45:57.780
and what this means,
hiring private firefighters?

00:45:57.780 --> 00:46:00.540
TIMOTHY INGALSBEE: Right.
This is —

00:46:00.540 --> 00:46:05.000
wealthy people can purchase
private firefighters

00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:08.580
to protect their properties
in case of fire.

00:46:09.150 --> 00:46:11.450
And that goes back
to the early days

00:46:11.450 --> 00:46:13.630
of even municipal
fire departments,

00:46:13.630 --> 00:46:17.060
where, you know,
you’d have to buy protection,

00:46:17.600 --> 00:46:19.240
and they would
skip over homes

00:46:19.240 --> 00:46:20.880
that weren’t part
of the service,

00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:22.850
and protect
those that were.

00:46:22.850 --> 00:46:27.250
But what that portends
is a further decline

00:46:27.250 --> 00:46:30.280
in the public agencies

00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:33.730
and the ability of agency crews
to protect all of us,

00:46:33.730 --> 00:46:37.380
in favor of just those
who are wealthy enough

00:46:37.380 --> 00:46:38.730
to buy their own protection.

00:46:38.730 --> 00:46:40.720
And just like the pandemic,
though,

00:46:41.310 --> 00:46:44.980
wildfire makes no distinctions
between rich and poor.

00:46:45.590 --> 00:46:49.020
And, you know,
as now in Oregon,

00:46:49.020 --> 00:46:52.540
we’ve suddenly realized
we’re all in the fire zone,

00:46:52.540 --> 00:46:54.730
even those of us
in the middle of the city.

00:46:54.730 --> 00:46:57.090
It just takes
one home to ignite,

00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:02.050
and then we have house-to-house
ignitions, like a domino effect.

00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:05.110
And so, we’re all
in this together, really.

00:47:05.110 --> 00:47:06.640
AMY GOODMAN: You know,
California Governor Newsom

00:47:06.640 --> 00:47:09.940
just signed a law
that will allow some prisoners,

00:47:09.940 --> 00:47:11.910
who are firefighters,

00:47:11.910 --> 00:47:14.030
who haven’t been able
to become firefighters

00:47:14.030 --> 00:47:15.240
once they get out of jail,

00:47:15.240 --> 00:47:17.760
though they’re among
the most experienced,

00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:19.700
that they will have
their records expunged,

00:47:19.700 --> 00:47:22.980
making it easier for them to
become professional firefighters

00:47:22.980 --> 00:47:26.050
when they’re released,
and apply for jobs.

00:47:26.050 --> 00:47:29.850
Newsom tweeted Friday, quote,
"CA’s inmate firefighter program

00:47:29.850 --> 00:47:32.460
is decades-old
and has long needed reform,"

00:47:32.460 --> 00:47:34.120
unquote, along
with a picture of him

00:47:34.120 --> 00:47:37.610
signing the law
in a scorched forest.

00:47:37.610 --> 00:47:39.840
A lot of these
private firefighters —

00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:43.890
some of them are those
former prisoners

00:47:43.890 --> 00:47:48.020
who couldn’t get into
the public firefighting forces.

00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:52.350
TIMOTHY INGALSBEE: Yeah, yeah.
You know, in California,

00:47:52.350 --> 00:47:55.530
the inmate firefighters
have a reputation

00:47:55.530 --> 00:47:56.900
to be some
of the bravest,

00:47:56.900 --> 00:48:00.810
most hard-working,
fearless firefighters.

00:48:02.040 --> 00:48:04.740
This is — it’s about time.
It’s a matter of justice,

00:48:04.740 --> 00:48:07.310
that once they pay
their sentence,

00:48:07.310 --> 00:48:11.650
they should be members of
society with job opportunities.

00:48:12.450 --> 00:48:18.790
But we have to kind of get
beyond the monopolization

00:48:18.790 --> 00:48:21.210
of fire management
by government agencies.

00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:26.600
And really, there’s a huge role
that communities and citizens

00:48:26.600 --> 00:48:30.990
should play as partners
with government agencies

00:48:30.990 --> 00:48:33.350
in preparing
their homes for fire,

00:48:34.190 --> 00:48:36.760
because we know we can’t
prevent all these fires.

00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:39.400
Large fires are natural
and inevitable,

00:48:39.910 --> 00:48:43.550
but urban fire disasters
are entirely avoidable.

00:48:45.010 --> 00:48:47.290
AMY GOODMAN: Timothy Ingalsbee,
we want to thank you so much

00:48:47.290 --> 00:48:49.910
for being with us,
wildland fire ecologist,

00:48:49.910 --> 00:48:53.880
former wildland firefighter
himself, now director of FUSEE.

00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:57.240
That’s Firefighters United
for Safety, Ethics, and Ecology.

00:48:57.240 --> 00:48:58.470
When we come back,

00:48:58.470 --> 00:49:01.520
we go to Reverend William
Barber in North Carolina

00:49:01.520 --> 00:49:03.630
to talk about
a new voting campaign.

00:49:03.630 --> 00:49:05.330
Stay with us.

00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:38.090
[break]

00:49:38.640 --> 00:49:40.190
AMY GOODMAN: "Take Me Home,
Country Roads"

00:49:40.190 --> 00:49:41.850
by Toots and the Maytals.
He [Toots Hibbert]

00:49:41.850 --> 00:49:43.680
died on September 11th
in Jamaica.

00:49:43.680 --> 00:49:44.880
AMY GOODMAN: This
is Democracy Now!

00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:46.090
I’m Amy Goodman.

00:49:46.090 --> 00:49:47.850
Early voting begins
this week in Minnesota,

00:49:47.850 --> 00:49:50.530
Wyoming and South Dakota,
with the November 3rd election

00:49:50.530 --> 00:49:52.120
just seven weeks away.

00:49:52.120 --> 00:49:54.570
But voting rights advocates
are sounding the alarm

00:49:54.570 --> 00:49:56.980
over efforts
to disenfranchise voters,

00:49:56.980 --> 00:50:00.850
as President Trump and others
cast doubts on voting by mail.

00:50:00.850 --> 00:50:02.490
In the key battleground state
of Florida,

00:50:02.490 --> 00:50:04.680
a federal appeals court
has ruled hundreds

00:50:04.680 --> 00:50:06.520
of thousands
of former prisoners

00:50:06.520 --> 00:50:08.640
must first pay
court fines and fees

00:50:08.640 --> 00:50:10.810
before they can
register to vote.

00:50:10.810 --> 00:50:13.460
The ruling overturns a ruling
by a federal judge

00:50:13.460 --> 00:50:18.130
who compared the restriction
to an unconstitutional poll tax.

00:50:18.130 --> 00:50:20.570
This comes nearly two years
after voters in Florida

00:50:20.570 --> 00:50:23.650
approved a landmark referendum
to restore voting rights

00:50:23.650 --> 00:50:25.560
to people
with felony convictions.

00:50:25.560 --> 00:50:28.030
In other election news,
the Wisconsin Supreme Court

00:50:28.030 --> 00:50:30.560
has temporarily
blocked absentee ballots

00:50:30.560 --> 00:50:33.770
from being mailed last week,
one week before the deadline,

00:50:33.770 --> 00:50:35.290
while the court decides
whether to add

00:50:35.290 --> 00:50:37.490
the Green Party’s
candidate to the ballot.

00:50:37.490 --> 00:50:38.800
Meanwhile, in Pennsylvania,

00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:41.110
election officials delayed
sending out ballots

00:50:41.110 --> 00:50:43.780
due to a slew of lawsuits
and other challenges.

00:50:43.780 --> 00:50:46.170
To talk more about voting rights
and the election,

00:50:46.170 --> 00:50:47.860
we’re joined by
Reverend William Barber,

00:50:47.860 --> 00:50:49.410
co-chair of the Poor
People’s Campaign,

00:50:49.410 --> 00:50:52.360
president of Repairers
of the Breach.

00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:54.780
The Poor People’s Campaign
is running a campaign

00:50:54.780 --> 00:50:57.840
ahead of the election
called MORE.

00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.310
It stands for Mobilizing,
Organizing, Registering,

00:51:00.310 --> 00:51:01.510
[Educating]

00:51:01.510 --> 00:51:04.090
People for a Movement
That Votes.

00:51:04.090 --> 00:51:06.660
Reverend Barber is joining us
from Raleigh, North Carolina,

00:51:06.660 --> 00:51:08.770
a key swing state.

00:51:08.770 --> 00:51:11.480
What are you doing now,
Reverend Barber,

00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:13.160
to get people out
to the polls,

00:51:13.160 --> 00:51:16.220
as clearly that right
is being cracked down

00:51:16.220 --> 00:51:17.920
on all over the country?

00:51:18.740 --> 00:51:20.900
REV. WILLIAM BARBER II: Yeah.
We must do more, Amy.

00:51:20.900 --> 00:51:22.190
And thank you
for having me on.

00:51:22.190 --> 00:51:24.790
We must do more mobilizing,
organizing, registering,

00:51:24.790 --> 00:51:27.270
educating people
for the movement who vote.

00:51:27.270 --> 00:51:29.190
And voting is power unleashed.

00:51:29.190 --> 00:51:32.070
And there’s a great fear
of people of every race,

00:51:32.070 --> 00:51:33.450
creed and color,

00:51:33.450 --> 00:51:36.000
particularly poor and low-wealth
people, organizing.

00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.360
There is fear.
It’s a fear that’s been around

00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:40.960
ever since the Southern Strategy
was implemented by people

00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:43.830
like George Wallace
and Strom Thurmond

00:51:43.830 --> 00:51:45.560
and Richard Nixon
and Lee Atwater,

00:51:45.560 --> 00:51:47.270
because they know that if poor

00:51:47.270 --> 00:51:49.670
and low-wealth
people mobilize together,

00:51:49.670 --> 00:51:51.719
they can change
the outcome of elections.

00:51:52.470 --> 00:51:54.700
And that’s not just emotional,
that’s empirical.

00:51:54.700 --> 00:51:56.910
So, what we’re doing is
we have this campaign.

00:51:56.910 --> 00:52:01.730
And tonight, you can go to
www.PoorPeoplesCampaign.org

00:52:01.730 --> 00:52:04.770
tonight at 7 p.m.
East Coast, 4 p.m. West Coast.

00:52:04.770 --> 00:52:06.920
We’re having
a National Moral Monday

00:52:07.670 --> 00:52:11.300
"Voting Is Power Unleashed"
teach-in.

00:52:11.940 --> 00:52:14.350
And we had 3 million people
that showed up

00:52:14.350 --> 00:52:16.950
for our Mass Poor
People’s Assembly in June,

00:52:16.950 --> 00:52:19.220
on June 20th, to view.

00:52:19.220 --> 00:52:21.350
We are inviting them
and millions more to join us.

00:52:21.350 --> 00:52:24.700
We’ve got to train the people
on the power of the vote,

00:52:25.240 --> 00:52:26.890
the power
to protect the vote,

00:52:26.890 --> 00:52:29.390
and the power to shape
public policy by the vote.

00:52:29.390 --> 00:52:32.160
And here’s what the metrics say,
Amy.

00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:35.930
In the last election,
63 million poor

00:52:35.930 --> 00:52:38.170
and low-wealth people
did not vote —

00:52:38.170 --> 00:52:40.730
63 million were eligible
to vote,

00:52:40.730 --> 00:52:43.560
29 million voted,
34 million didn’t vote.

00:52:44.140 --> 00:52:46.430
We also did a study
with a professor of Columbia,

00:52:46.430 --> 00:52:49.500
and it showed us that
from Maryland to New Mexico,

00:52:49.500 --> 00:52:52.210
there are 193
Electoral College votes,

00:52:52.210 --> 00:52:54.820
so whoever locks that up
goes into this race

00:52:54.820 --> 00:52:56.740
with 193 Electoral College
votes,

00:52:56.740 --> 00:52:59.040
that are good
in a race to 270.

00:52:59.040 --> 00:53:02.350
But we also found out
from the data that in 15 states,

00:53:02.350 --> 00:53:05.500
many of them in those Southern
states and across the Midwest,

00:53:05.500 --> 00:53:08.610
if poor and low-wealth voters
just vote from 1%

00:53:09.210 --> 00:53:11.740
to 19% increase
from last time —

00:53:11.740 --> 00:53:13.420
I want your viewers
to hear that:

00:53:13.420 --> 00:53:16.670
not 20%, not 21, 25, 30%,

00:53:16.670 --> 00:53:21.600
just 1 to 19% increase among
poor and low-wealth people,

00:53:21.600 --> 00:53:22.860
regardless of race,
creed or color,

00:53:22.860 --> 00:53:25.340
who vote issues,
who vote their agenda —

00:53:25.340 --> 00:53:28.440
fundamentally shifts
all the elections,

00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:31.500
from the gubernatorial
to the Senate to the presidency,

00:53:31.500 --> 00:53:33.900
can literally determine
who sits in those seats,

00:53:34.540 --> 00:53:36.290
and we can break
the solid South.

00:53:36.290 --> 00:53:39.380
So that’s why our campaign
is really about

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mobilizing poor
and low-wealth voters.

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And tonight,
we have them coming on.

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We also invited Biden and Trump
to talk about their campaigns

00:53:47.810 --> 00:53:49.420
and relate to poor
and low-wealth people.

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Trump never responded.
Biden said yes and is coming on.

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Because here are three things
our study also found out, Amy.

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Poor and low-wealth people have
not voted for three reasons,

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and they’re not
necessarily in hierarchy.

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One is voter suppression.

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The other is transportation
and time off from work.

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But the third is issues,

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not hearing candidates
talk to them.

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They talk about the middle class
and the wealthy,

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but not talking to poor
and low-wealth people.

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When we say poor
and low-wealth people,

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we’re talking about that
62 million people who work —

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62 million people who work every
day for less than a living wage.

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We’re talking about
140 million poor

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and low-wealth
people prior to COVID,

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and now upwards of nearly 50%
of the nation after COVID.

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We cannot leave
this demographic untouched,

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untalked to, untransformed
and unorganized.

00:54:45.630 --> 00:54:47.320
AMY GOODMAN: President Trump
recently suggested people

00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:48.600
in North Carolina,

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where you are, break the law
by voting

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twice in the upcoming
presidential election —

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once by mail
and then again in person —

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to test the election system.
This is what he said.

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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Let
them send it in,

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and let them go vote.

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And if their system is as good
as they say it is,

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then obviously
they won’t be able to vote.

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If it isn’t tabulated,
they’ll be able to vote.

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So that’s the way it is.
And that’s what they should do.

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AMY GOODMAN: Under federal law,
voting twice is illegal.

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In North Carolina,
it’s also illegal to induce

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someone to vote twice.

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Meanwhile, the Republican
National Committee

00:55:21.050 --> 00:55:23.450
and the Trump campaign
have sued the state of Montana

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to block an expansion
of mail-in voting.

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Reverend Barber,
if you can comment on this,

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and also what just happened in
Florida with the appeals court

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ruling that hundreds
of thousands of people —

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I mean,
this is a key swing state,

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where this could clearly
tip the balance —

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will not be able to vote if they
have felonies on their record

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and can’t afford to pay
all of the costs

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related to this at once?

00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:49.340
REV. WILLIAM BARBER II: Well,
first of all,

00:55:49.340 --> 00:55:52.030
Trump is criminality
personified.

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He will put his people at risk,
because, you know,

00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:57.030
there’s a five-year
felony prison sentence

00:55:57.930 --> 00:55:59.650
for doing exactly
what he said do.

00:56:00.350 --> 00:56:02.960
He wants to confuse the systems.

00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:05.340
He knows that in North Carolina,
for instance,

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we have numerous days
of early voting,

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same-day registration.
We also have absentee balloting.

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And we also have
on Election Day.

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And he knows that if people
engage, they fundamentally lose.

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You know,
we just finished beating

00:56:18.370 --> 00:56:20.570
all of the racist voter
suppression laws

00:56:21.290 --> 00:56:23.110
that Thom Tillis,
who’s now in the Senate,

00:56:23.110 --> 00:56:25.820
who’s running again,
in North Carolina,

00:56:25.820 --> 00:56:30.030
had helped put in place.
So this is the first election

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where we’re not under
those voter suppression laws.

00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:34.460
The courts have ruled
both in our favor

00:56:34.460 --> 00:56:36.690
in terms of undoing racist
gerrymandering,

00:56:36.690 --> 00:56:37.910
undoing those laws.

00:56:37.910 --> 00:56:41.180
And North Carolina
can easily turn with people

00:56:41.180 --> 00:56:42.470
turning out to vote.

00:56:42.470 --> 00:56:44.820
He simply wants
to confuse everything.

00:56:44.820 --> 00:56:46.280
We see, in these other states,

00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:49.390
the great fear that Republicans
have of people voting.

00:56:49.390 --> 00:56:50.780
They don’t want
anybody to vote.

00:56:50.780 --> 00:56:52.030
The only people
they want to vote

00:56:52.030 --> 00:56:54.340
is the small group of people
that support them.

00:56:54.340 --> 00:56:55.950
They don’t want persons

00:56:55.950 --> 00:56:58.200
who have paid their debts
to society to vote.

00:56:58.810 --> 00:57:01.120
We’re having strange
decisions, though.

00:57:01.120 --> 00:57:03.940
And one thing we got,
the decision we saw in Florida,

00:57:03.940 --> 00:57:06.320
but in North Carolina
we just won a decision

00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:08.950
that actually will allow
a large number

00:57:09.510 --> 00:57:11.160
of formerly incarcerated
people to vote,

00:57:11.160 --> 00:57:12.420
even if they have not finished

00:57:12.420 --> 00:57:15.480
paying their monetary debt
to society.

00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:18.670
What we are seeing is —
in our Constitution,

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the 15th Amendment,

00:57:20.150 --> 00:57:23.160
it says no one can deny
or abridge the right to vote.

00:57:23.160 --> 00:57:27.360
What we’re seeing is an attempt
to both deny and abridge

00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:30.040
the right to vote in real time.

00:57:30.040 --> 00:57:31.580
And that’s why we have
to fight back.

00:57:31.580 --> 00:57:33.640
That’s why we have
to know the law.

00:57:33.640 --> 00:57:35.910
That’s why we can’t allow
these poll watchers

00:57:35.910 --> 00:57:39.090
he’s talking about sending in
to question people,

00:57:39.090 --> 00:57:40.570
to intimidate us.

00:57:40.570 --> 00:57:42.630
That’s why we can’t
let precincts close.

00:57:42.630 --> 00:57:45.270
That’s why people have
to engage early voting.

00:57:45.270 --> 00:57:47.330
That’s why we need to know
our legal rights.

00:57:47.330 --> 00:57:49.090
And that’s one of
the things tonight.

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We have two law firms

00:57:51.230 --> 00:57:53.540
that have fought against
voter suppression:

00:57:53.540 --> 00:57:56.330
Forward Justice,
led by attorney Caitlin Swain,

00:57:56.330 --> 00:57:59.890
and the NAACP Legal Defense
Fund, led by Sherrilyn Ifill.

00:57:59.890 --> 00:58:02.450
They’re going to be
laying out what your power

00:58:02.450 --> 00:58:04.610
is to protect your vote.

00:58:04.610 --> 00:58:07.110
And we have to stay in
and be steadfast,

00:58:07.110 --> 00:58:10.770
because nobody
would be fighting this hard

00:58:10.770 --> 00:58:13.610
to keep people from voting,
if it was not rooted in fear.

00:58:13.610 --> 00:58:14.950
AMY GOODMAN: Finally,
Reverend Barber,

00:58:14.950 --> 00:58:16.220
we just have 20 seconds.

00:58:16.220 --> 00:58:18.230
Tomorrow, Tuesday,
September 15th,

00:58:18.230 --> 00:58:19.920
is the 57th anniversary
of the bombing

00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:21.140
of the Birmingham church

00:58:21.140 --> 00:58:24.700
that killed the four
little girls in 1963.

00:58:24.700 --> 00:58:26.130
In these last 20 seconds,

00:58:26.130 --> 00:58:28.580
your thoughts on what
we should know today?

00:58:29.690 --> 00:58:30.950
REV. WILLIAM BARBER II: We’ll
be there,

00:58:30.950 --> 00:58:32.810
Richard Trumka and I,
with the AFL-CIO,

00:58:32.810 --> 00:58:34.930
and myself and a pastor
laying a wreath

00:58:34.930 --> 00:58:36.760
and then speaking
to the nation,

00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:39.900
that just like labor and faith
came together in Birmingham

00:58:39.900 --> 00:58:41.860
to transform the nation,

00:58:41.860 --> 00:58:43.660
even after their deaths
and before,

00:58:43.660 --> 00:58:45.990
we have to do
the same thing today.

00:58:45.990 --> 00:58:49.240
Tune in at 11:00 Central,
12:00 Eastern.

00:58:49.240 --> 00:58:50.590
We have a message
to the nation,

00:58:50.590 --> 00:58:52.720
calling everybody
to join together

00:58:52.720 --> 00:58:54.820
to fight against
regressivism and racism,

00:58:54.820 --> 00:58:56.600
and stand up for life,
for justice and for truth.

00:58:56.600 --> 00:58:58.140
AMY GOODMAN: And that’s
the PoorPeoplesCampaign.org.

00:58:58.140 --> 00:58:59.390
Reverend Dr. William Barber,

00:58:59.390 --> 00:59:00.990
I want to thank you so much
for being with us.

00:59:00.990 --> 00:59:02.050
I’m Amy Goodman.
Thanks for joining us.

