AMY GOODMAN: The article written by Tom Hayden. He joins us on the line from California. A former California State Senator, Hayden was a leader of the anti-war movement during the Vietnam Era. His latest article is, U.S. Retreat from Iraq? The Secret Story. Welcome to Democracy Now!.

TOM HAYDEN: Good morning Amy.

AMY GOODMAN: It’s good to have you with us Tom. Well, why don’t you layout what you learned.

TOM HAYDEN: Well, it’s very murky, but we’ll know enough in a few days I suppose. But, over the past several years, but especially in the past months since the election, there have been contacts at a deniable level, but definite contacts between representatives of the armed Irania- — armed Iraqi National Resistance and the US over the possible conditions for a cease-fire and a change of regime in Baghdad. And the reason, the sources of this are first, I have some direct knowledge of meetings in Amman just a few days ago. Secondly, it’s been all over the press in the Arab world like on Al-Quds Al-Arabi newspaper on November 3rd. And, it’s consistent with the past. The question I guess is, is there a faction of the administration that has decided to explore a cease-fire in a settlement with the Sunni resistance since the US has failed to defeat them militarily. That would require probably a deadline for withdrawal and further talks.

And secondly, it may be that the US has realized that the Shia that it placed in power have created a Pro-Iran, Shia state starting in southern Iraq . So the US now seems to want to launch an urban offensive against the Madi Army of Muqtada al-Sadr in Sadr city, you know what kind of blood bath that would be. To do that, they would of to get the Prime Minister, al-Maliki, out of the way because he depends on al-Sadr for votes and parliament. So, there could be a plan to replace al-Maliki with a strong man, turn the Shia loose and so on. But, who knows?

What I do know is that the, the peace movement is very important as a factor in all this and needs to stay alive, because they have rattled the foreign policy establishment creating a — not only a general mandate for peace, but a time table. There’s a certain urgency to get this business done before the 2008 election.

AMY GOODMAN: Tom Hayden, how do you know this? Who have you spoken to?

TOM HAYDEN: Well, there were meetings, just a few days ago in Amman, which Americans were presence including Congressional officials. And there, there was a—a direct meeting, kind of a spontaneous, impromptu meeting, with an alleged leader of the resistance. In addition to that —

AMY GOODMAN: When you say a Congressional lead—are you talking about Congressman Jim McDermott?

TOM HAYDEN: Yes. I don’t think he called the meeting. I think the meeting happened. But you can talk to him. But in addition to that, you know, there’s a report in this November 3rd paper that was confirmed to me by a former Jordanian Diplomat whose been an important behind the scenes person. It says, and we should be able to ask Condoleezza Rice, that she spoke to the Gulf Cooperation Counsel in October and confessed past mistakes and asked them to serve as intermediaries between the US position and the position of the guerillas of the resistance groups. And was very explicit about that.

Third I know of, for a fact, because I have the documents, that an operative, a person who is sincere and well-intended has been in the field in Iraq making direct contacts with the, at least the Sunni insurgent groups and setting up discussions with them over a very specific platform for change in Iraq if the United States agrees to withdraw.

AMY GOODMAN: This is an American contractor?

TOM HAYDEN: Yes. And those discussions are taking place in Iraq, in Amman, in Egypt. And, it’s, you know, it’s one of those things that’s could be a great movie, a great script, but it is actually true. What’s never known in these stories is how high up is the authorization for this person to proceed? Or is he just out there on a mission where the plug can be pulled at any moment? I think my experience tells me that multiple scenarios are always being run at once. So, I don’t — I think the most important thing is that this is secret, that the American officials don’t want to admit that they might be sponsoring talks with their alleged enemies. But I think the public ought to know because part of the reason for this diplomatic process behind the scenes is that the public served notice on November 7th in the election that it’s time to wake up and formulate some kind of plan for getting out. I don’t think this is a plan to get out. I think this is a plan to reduce American casualties dramatically in order to stay in.

AMY GOODMAN: We are talking to Former California State Senator Tom Hayden, who has written several pieces now for the Huffington Post about documents that’s he says reveal secret talks between the US and Iraqi Armed Resistance.