In the CBS 60 Minutes interview, Jose Rodriguez, former head of CIA clandestine operations and former lead interrogator, later compared the authorization of torture under President George W. Bush to the increased amount of extrajudicial killings under President Obama.

Jose Rodriguez: “We don’t capture anybody anymore, Lesley. I mean, you know, their default option of this administration has been to kill all prisoners, take no prisoners.”

Lesley Stahl: “The drones.”

Jose Rodriguez: “The drones. How could it be more ethical to kill people rather than capture them? I’ve never understood that one.”