AMY GOODMAN: Bill McKibben, if you could comment quickly, before we go to Congressmember Lieu on another issue, on two developments? Friday, the Obama administration quietly said they will no longer issue leases for drilling in the Arctic. You know, Shell had said they’re going to stop, but then the Obama administration said this, number one. And, two, the victory of Justin Trudeau, the new prime minister-designate of Canada, his support for the Keystone XL, what that means? But start with the Obama administration.

BILL McKIBBEN: So, in the Arctic, look, what a victory for brave activists, especially in the Northwest, those kayaktivists, whose pictures you showed, blocking the harbors in Portland and Seattle. Shell claimed that they didn’t find much oil in the Arctic. What they really found was way more trouble than they bargained for.

As for Canada, the election results, I mean, who knows exactly effect it will have on Keystone? But it must be said that in the last seven or eight weeks, the two most fossil-fueled Western leaders, Tony Abbott in Australia and Stephen Harper in Canada, are out on their ear. It’s not as if, you know, all our problems are solved by that, but it’s a pretty good sign of where the momentum suddenly is. I don’t think that—just as the Arctic isn’t going to be fully developed for oil, I don’t think that those expansion plans for the tar sands, where they were going to double and triple and quadruple production, I don’t think they look very healthy today, either.