Former President George W. Bush criticized President Trump’s “war on the media” in an interview Monday with “Today” show host Matt Lauer.

Matt Lauer: “Did you ever consider the media to be the enemy of the American people?”

George W. Bush: “I consider the media to be indispensable to democracy, that we need an independent media to hold people like me to account. I mean, power can be very addictive, and it can be corrosive, and it’s important for the media to call to account people who abuse their power, whether it be here or elsewhere.”

During the interview, “Today” show host Matt Lauer also asked former President George W. Bush about Trump’s Muslim travel ban, which temporarily blocked people from seven majority-Muslim nations from entering the United States, before the ban was suspended by the courts earlier this month.

Matt Lauer: “I just want to make sure I understand. Are you for or against the ban? You’re against the ban?”

George W. Bush: “I am for an immigration policy that’s welcoming and that upholds the law.”