Congressional Democrats grilled Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in back-to-back hearings in the House and Senate Wednesday. Kennedy defended major cuts to HHS as part of the Trump administration’s effort to dismantle federal agencies, insisting key programs would still operate — without offering any concrete plans.

He was also questioned about his response to the growing U.S. measles outbreak and his vaccine skepticism. This is an exchange with Congressmember Mark Pocan.

Rep. Mark Pocan: “If you had a child today, would you vaccinate that child for measles?”

HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: “For measles? Probably for measles. I — you know, what I would say is my opinions about vaccines are irrelevant. I have directed” —

Rep. Mark Pocan: “Yeah.”

HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: — “Jay Bhattacharya” —

Rep. Mark Pocan: “Sure. No, like I said, I don’t want to” —

HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: — “to do the science so that everybody can make that decision. But I, you know” —

Rep. Mark Pocan: “OK. Measles?”

HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: “I don’t want to seem like I’m being evasive.”

Rep. Mark Pocan: “Yeah.”

HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: “But I don’t think people should be taking advice, medical advice, from me.”

Rep. Mark Pocan: “Right.”