- Suzi Elarabi
mother of Muhannad Bensadik, a 21-year-old Libyan American medical student who has participated in the Libyan uprising.
- Muhannad Bensadik
21-year-old Libyan American medical student who has participated in the Libyan uprising. It is unclear if he is dead or missing after being shot on March 12.
- Anjali Kamat
Democracy Now! correspondent.
Muhannad Bensadik is a 21-year-old Libyan American medical student who has joined the armed struggle against Col. Muammar Gaddafi’s forces. He was reportedly shot during fighting near Brega earlier this month, but it’s unclear if he is dead or missing. We air an interview conducted by Democracy Now!'s Anjali Kamat with Bensadik just two days before he disappeared. We’re also joined by Bensadik's mother, Suzi Elarabi. She recently learned that her son may not have died in the shooting as previously believed. [includes rush transcript]
AMY GOODMAN: We turn now to the story of one of the protesters in eastern Libya. He was reportedly shot by pro-Gaddafi forces. Muhannad Bensadik was a 21-year-old Libyan American medical student in Benghazi, born in North Carolina. His family lives in Virginia. Muhannad participated in the Libyan uprising last month and joined the armed struggle against Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s forces, reportedly shot during fighting near Brega on Saturday, March 12th, not clear if he’s dead or missing.
We’re going to turn right now to his mother, who is joining us from Washington, D.C. Suzi Elarabi is deeply worried right now. She was first told he was dead, now possibly that — well, why don’t you tell us what you believe has happened to your son, before we play Muhannad in his own words?
SUZI ELARABI: At first, Muhannad started going, protesting in Benghazi. And then, when the freedom fighters took over Benghazi, he started going to Ajdabiya, Brega, and helping people there, taking food, medicines. And then he went to the front lines to fight Gaddafi’s troops.
The first thing I heard from his dad, that Muhannad has been killed. Two days after that, I heard from his dad that one of his friends — he was with him in the front lines — he was playing dead when Gaddafi’s troops shot Muhannad and his other friend, so he saw that Muhannad has been taken by Gaddafi’s troops while he was alive. He was shot, but he was alive.
AMY GOODMAN: Let’s turn to the interview that Democracy Now! correspondent Anjali Kamat did with Muhannad by phone on March 10th, while he was still in Brega. This is two days before he was shot. She was going to meet with Muhannad in Ras Lanuf, but the attacks by Gaddafi forces there made the trip too dangerous. So, in order to make sure she could do the interview, she had to hold a microphone up to the speaker of her phone. So, you know, it’s difficult listening. Listen very carefully, as you hear Muhannad speak.
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Actually, I’m a dual citizen. I’m Libyan American. My father is Libyan; my mother is American.
ANJALI KAMAT: And where did you grow up?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Well, the first five years of my life was in the United States, and the rest of my life was here in Libya. But, you know, I go backward and forward between the U.S. and here enough. But my study and my — you know, my life was, most of it, here in Libya.
ANJALI KAMAT: Here in Libya, alright. Where did you grow up in Libya? Which city?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Benghazi city.
ANJALI KAMAT: When this started, it was a protest. When did you decide to join the people who are actually fighting?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Well, actually, it started, like, as a protest, but on the 17th, they started, you know, started shooting and killing people, you know? And since that day, I was with the protesters, you know?
ANJALI KAMAT: And when did you leave Benghazi? And, you know, have you ever used a weapon before? Do you know how to fight?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: No, not really. Actually, I decided to buy a weapon when I heard that the Gaddafi forces was entering Brega city. So, I decided that I need to buy a weapon and military supplies to the people and help the people over there, you know, so I just bought that. I was looking for a weapon, and I bought one.
ANJALI KAMAT: Muhannad, how old are you?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Twenty-one.
ANJALI KAMAT: And what did you study?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Medical. Medical school.
ANJALI KAMAT: Describe where you are. You’re right now in Brega. Say a little bit about where you’re staying and who’s with you.
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Well, I’m in a small camp in Brega — next to Brega city now with a few of my friends, you know?
ANJALI KAMAT: Have you been to Ras Lanuf yet?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Well, the day before yesterday.
ANJALI KAMAT: And what is it like there? Is the fighting pretty intense?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Yeah, it was just — you know, we couldn’t — you just see the enemy always say they are coming towards you, you know? Not towards Ras Lanuf, but in the area in front of us and off about five to 10 kilometers from Ras Lanuf. Same with the day before, you know, it was just — keep bombing with rockets and with missiles, you know? That’s all, you know? Because you see the enemy always use their missiles.
ANJALI KAMAT: Have you seen any of those who are fighting you?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Yeah, we’ve seen them with microscopes, you know, from far away, but not as like close combat. All we see is, we see them from far away. We see their tanks. We see their missile shooting from far away. But, you know, face-to-face contact, we didn’t see them.
ANJALI KAMAT: How many people are fighting in Ras Lanuf? How many rebels are there?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Well, because the rebels are not only in Ras Lanuf, they are between — they are in Brega, and they are in other areas between Ras Lanuf and Brega. You know, like each three kilometers, you find more [inaudible]. Each three kilometers, you find more and more, all the way to Ras Lanuf, a little bit after Ras Lanuf. So, maybe between 2,000, 2,500, I cannot, you know, say exactly.
ANJALI KAMAT: And how would you describe most of the fighters? Are they young men? Are they students? Are they professionals?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Most of them are young, you know? Even they are about 16 years old to 30 years old, you know?
ANJALI KAMAT: And have any of them been trained? What’s the ratio between people who are untrained volunteers and those who might have belonged to the army?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Those belonging to the army are very few, you know, compared the volunteers, you know? And those volunteers didn’t even go to the military. They just took small lessons on how to use AKs and these small guns. That’s all they have, you know?
ANJALI KAMAT: Does this make you afraid, that you’re not well trained?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: No, not really, because it’s not that hard to train on these kind of weapons, you know? And for the last few days, they’ve been training us on heavy weapons, you know, like the 14-and-a-half and anti-aircraft and missile launchers, you know? Been training for the last few days, and it’s not that hard, you know?
ANJALI KAMAT: Where are you getting all the weapons from?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Well, from the camps that [inaudible] in all the east areas — you know, Benghazi, Bayda, Ajdabiya, all these areas that used to have big camps that had weapons and ammunition. This is where we get this from.
ANJALI KAMAT: And who’s training you?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Well, parties of the armed forces, you know? Special forces and the army forces, you know?
ANJALI KAMAT: How did your family feel about your decision to come fight?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Well, not really — actually, my mother is in the United States right now, and she’s calling like every half an hour, asking about me. And she’s like, "Go back home. You shouldn’t be there. You shouldn’t do this. You shouldn’t do that." You know, she’s really worried. But my father is kind of OK with the — with the situation, you know, because he is here right now. He is Libyan. He just called me before you called me, and he was texting this ambulance car to come here, to help the people, you know, with — helping the wounded people from the battlefield to the hospital, you know?
ANJALI KAMAT: So what do you tell your mother?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: I just tell her that everything is OK, and I’m not near the fire position. And, you know, just like that. You know, just keep her to feel like everything is normal.
ANJALI KAMAT: Do you have any siblings, Muhannad? Any brothers or sisters?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Yeah, one brother, two sisters.
ANJALI KAMAT: Are they here in Libya or in the United States?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: My brother is here in Benghazi, and my sisters stay with my mother in the United States.
ANJALI KAMAT: And is your brother also fighting, or how is — what is he doing?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: No, no, he’s at home. No.
ANJALI KAMAT: OK. How long do you think you’ll be fighting?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Well, I think it’s going to be a long fight, you know, I guess, if he doesn’t get out of the country and — you know, if he stays here, it will be a long fight, you know? Because we still have a long way to go. We still Surt. We still have Tripoli. We still have Zawiyah, all these areas, you know? And from what I see, nobody’s going to withdraw. Everything is going front; you know, nobody’s going back. Nobody’s even thinking about going back right now.
ANJALI KAMAT: So, what are you looking for, in terms of support? What do you think people need the most in order to move forward?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Well, actually, the one thing I think we need, we need more leaders, you know, like war leaders, like trained leaders, because this is the one thing that we don’t have right now, leaders, you know.
ANJALI KAMAT: What is your sense of — you’re part American, and you spent some time growing up in the United States. Do you see any role for the United States in helping your struggle right now?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Not at all, no. Not really.
ANJALI KAMAT: Explain why.
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Most of the people now, they say, "Thank God that we are not counting on the United States. If we were counting on the United States or the European Union or the world, we would be dead right now. But we are counting on ourselves; we are not counting on anybody." That’s what the whole people around me are saying, you know? All we hear is promises — we will do that, we will do this, we will do this, this, this — but we didn’t see anything on reality in front of us here, right here in the battlefield, you know?
ANJALI KAMAT: So, describe a little bit how it feels. From February 15th to now, you’ve been doing things on your own, like you, yourself, just described, and trying to come out on the streets, protest, and then now take up arms and go fight. Do you feel like you’ve become a different person? What have these experiences done?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: [inaudible] ourselves. We were not realizing how fast it was, you know, just from protesting, to fighting, to burning government buildings, to carrying weapons. You know, it just started very fast.
ANJALI KAMAT: And how does it feel? Describe the changes. I mean, this has all happened so fast.
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Well, I cannot describe it. You know, just happened so fast that, you know, some people here, still sitting right here, say, "Did this happen? Is this true? Am I dreaming or what?" You know, just because nobody was thinking that something like this would happen, neither of us or our fathers or even our grandfathers, you know, because we did what our grandfathers and our fathers couldn’t do for the last 40 years. So it’s something like everybody’s wowed, you know?
ANJALI KAMAT: Has this changed your understanding of what it means to be a Libyan?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: No, not really, no, because Libyan people are around like this, you know, for many years. You know, it’s just like small, you know, like tiny bomb, but just sleeping, you know, waiting for someone to turn it on. You know, then I think just turned on right now, you know?
ANJALI KAMAT: Is there anything else you’d like to add, Muhannad? Is there, you know, just anything you’d like to say about this whole experience?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Well, no, not really. I just want to say that, you know, the world should stop talking and start acting, you know? But everybody here is saying the same thing, you know, saying that, well, we keep hearing in the news that they will start — you know, an air force will fly around Libya and they will support with their weapons or do anything, you know, but all of this is just talking. We didn’t get anything here, you know? Just saying what the whole people are saying here, you know, saying, like, the world should start acting, do something, you know, not just talk. That’s the whole thing.
ANJALI KAMAT: What would you like, in terms of action? What kind of action are you looking for?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Well, at least, at least — you know, the least thing that they could do is stop their fighters from flying around the areas altogether. This is the least thing that they can do right now, you know?
ANJALI KAMAT: Now, would you —- as someone who’s fighting, who’s using arms -—
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Yeah.
ANJALI KAMAT: — would you accept better equipment, better arms? Is this a conversation that’s taking place among the fighters, that you need better equipment? And suppose the United States or some other country were to send arms, would this be a useful thing, or is it something that you wouldn’t want?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Well, actually, right now I don’t think we need it right now.
ANJALI KAMAT: You have enough arms.
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: Yeah, we have enough arms. But the most thing we need is because we don’t have any air fighters or that much of equipment for anti-aircraft, you know? This is the only thing that we need, that they stop their fighters from traveling around us and shooting us from far away, from places that we cannot even see. This is the whole thing. This is what all the people is asking for, you know?
ANJALI KAMAT: Some people in the United States are calling this a civil war. Do you agree?
MUHANNAD BENSADIK: No, no, it’s not civil war. Just like the war for freedom. You know, it’s like — how can I describe it? It’s like a revolution, you know.
AMY GOODMAN: A revolution, he says, it’s not a civil war. Muhannad Bensadik, 21-year-old Libyan American medical student, who grew up in Benghazi, born in North Carolina.
Suzi, this last 30 seconds, your thoughts? What do you want to happen right now, Suzi Elarabi?
SUZI ELARABI: I want Gaddafi to go out and Libya to be free from him. People don’t want him. And they have been like that 42 years, and I think it’s time for him to go and leave the Libyan people live in peace and freedom.
AMY GOODMAN: Suzi Elarabi, I want to thank you for being with us, mother of Muhannad Bensadik. She doesn’t know if he is dead or missing, appealing to people in Libya to find out.