CNN has published recordings of former Trump attorney Kenneth Chesebro revealing Trump was told about the “fake electors” scheme to keep him in office, and informed by lawyer Jim Troupis that he had lost the state of Wisconsin. The revelations come as part of interviews with Michigan state prosecutors.

Kenneth Chesebro: “It’s clear that Troupis personally told the president there was zero hope for Wisconsin, as part of this message, I think, crafted to try to get him to concede or just give up this long-shot challenge. … There was a conscious effort to deflect him from a sense of any possibility that he could pull out the election.”

Kenneth Chesebro, who has been dubbed the “architect” of the false electors plot, is cooperating with investigations in Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona and Nevada. In October, he pleaded guilty in Georgia’s sweeping election subversion case.